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Re: Sequel Pro – Open source macOS native MySQL GUI client

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Post by AsyncAwait » Fri, Jan 18, 2019, 3:41 PM UTC

inapis wrote: post #126

AsyncAwait wrote: post #116

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I disagree with this strongly. While it is the case in some instances, on macOS you often have to pay for the most basic of utilities, quality of life improvements, stuff like better window snapping and unarchivers etc. Things that are no worse on Linux. You even have to pay for a decent file manager on macOS and it usually still doesn't come close to Dolphin, which is a pure joy to use on Linux, while still being fr…

This is exaggeration. You're overselling linux but underselling macOS. It's not terrific in every aspect (window snapping being one) but you don't have to pay for every basic utilities on mac. Finder is reasonable. Preview supports a lot of file formats and even allows PDF stitching (few platforms support this out of the box). Keka is a free unarchiver for macOS. Karabiner is a free tool for remapping keyboard keys.…

> You're overselling linux but underselling macOS.

I use both platforms daily and while I agree that macOS has more 'polish' in terms of being more uniform, I don't think am overselling that there are many tools on Linux for which I have to pay on macOS to get similar capabilities.

> You're conflating expectations. A vast majority of people are using the file manager for basic stuff.

Right and there are many basic file managers for Linux too, but there are also advanced ones that you don't have to pay for, which was my point.

> Finder is reasonable.

Agree to disagree.

> I see plenty of developers on mac or developing for mac using it to contribute to open source projects. Just because it's not translating into free and open source consumer-facing projects on macOS does not imply that devs do not care about open source.

Perhaps I worded this poorly, but I meant macOS developers as in Swift/ObjC/Cocoa, not developers in general who happen to be using a Mac. So yes, I meant those developing customer-facing software specific to the platform, not say webdevs on a Mac. There's many open-source libraries sure, but that's because of convenience. When it comes to customer-facing apps, it is nowhere near Linux level and given the many more devs on the platform that speaks for something.

> From what I've seen, people on macOS are mostly paying for software like BetterTouchTool, Alfred, Keyboard Maestro, Hazel, Carbon Copy Cloner, Ulysses.

Right, and my point is that on Linux utilities akin to BetterSnapTool, Alfred, Keyboard Maestro tend to be free software and not particularly worse in terms of polish.

I see some convenience value in a tool like Ulysses, even if Org-mode could be used to achieve similar results, I don't see the value in utilities like BetterSnapTool and PDF Expert, since there's no extra polish that's not available on Linux as free software.

Re: Sequel Pro – Open source macOS native MySQL GUI client

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Post by pqdbr » Fri, Jan 18, 2019, 4:05 PM UTC

alpb wrote: post #36

Projects like these should be celebrated through donations and this project makes it easy. When’s the last time you’ve seen freeware developer tool for macOS that’s not from a corporation with money to spare? I personally can’t think of anything beyond iTerm (utility), Homebrew (utility), ...aaand that's where my list ends.

I would put GitX in the top of my list. Best Git GUI IMHO, and it’s the piece of software I miss the most when I’m on windows.

Re: Sequel Pro – Open source macOS native MySQL GUI client

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Post by hyperknot » Fri, Jan 18, 2019, 4:11 PM UTC

minusf wrote: post #148

hyperknot wrote: post #107

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TablePlus definitely can connect using SSH certificate. I'm using it like that right now.

after pushing "over SSH" i see only importing a private key. please note that i am talking about SSH certificate, not SSL certificate. https://ef.gy/hardening-ssh

You are right, I thought you were talking about using private keys.

Re: Sequel Pro – Open source macOS native MySQL GUI client

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Post by reaperducer » Fri, Jan 18, 2019, 4:24 PM UTC

bennyp101 wrote: post #86

reaperducer wrote: post #17

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I looked into Table Plus when I found that Sequel Pro crashes more than NASCAR on a Sunday. But it’s pricing model doesn’t work for the way I work. I’m just one person, but use multiple computers simultaneously, making per-computer licensing prohibitive. Obviously phpMyAdmin is a tire fire. I’m still looking for a good macOS-native client similar to Sequel Pro. Bonus points if it has a usable iPad version.

I use it on multiple computers - jsut not at the same time. "If you want to use TablePlus on multiple devices you need to add more seats to your license. The number of seats is the number of devices you can log in to at the same time" https://tableplus.io/order/extend-seats So I took that to mean that I can have it on multiple machines, I just can't use them at the same time - which is fine, I can use my laptop or de…

Thanks for the clarification. I'll have to take a second look at it, since I'll only use it on one machine at a time.

Re: Sequel Pro – Open source macOS native MySQL GUI client

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Post by reaperducer » Fri, Jan 18, 2019, 4:25 PM UTC

tomaskafka wrote: post #83

reaperducer wrote: post #17

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I looked into Table Plus when I found that Sequel Pro crashes more than NASCAR on a Sunday. But it’s pricing model doesn’t work for the way I work. I’m just one person, but use multiple computers simultaneously, making per-computer licensing prohibitive. Obviously phpMyAdmin is a tire fire. I’m still looking for a good macOS-native client similar to Sequel Pro. Bonus points if it has a usable iPad version.

As for crashing, just use the test builds: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18937589

I'd rather use my time getting things done than constantly catching up with latest builds and patches. That's the reason I switched to a Mac.

Re: Sequel Pro – Open source macOS native MySQL GUI client

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Post by daveFNbuck » Fri, Jan 18, 2019, 5:08 PM UTC

M4v3R wrote: post #78

daveFNbuck wrote: post #49

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Sequel Pro crashes when you close a tab in Mojave.

I had this problem as well, but I just tested one of the Test builds as suggested above, and the problem disappeared. So I highly recommend trying that :).

I find it easier to just not close tabs.

Re: Sequel Pro – Open source macOS native MySQL GUI client

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Post by jvagner » Fri, Jan 18, 2019, 5:42 PM UTC

angott wrote: post #15

It hasn't been updated in a very long time. Constant crashes on Mojave. I have transitioned away to TablePlus and DataGrip. Too bad because it was a very good tool for quick edits.

Seconded: TablePlus

Some of what I can do in there feels like magic.

Re: Sequel Pro – Open source macOS native MySQL GUI client

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Post by mnm1 » Fri, Jan 18, 2019, 6:23 PM UTC

donatj wrote: post #33

It's a paid and rather expensive product but I've used Navicat happily for something like ten years. The latest release was a rewrite and they're still sorting out problems but every incremental update brings it closer to how great the previous version was.

I used to love Navicat and have a copy but the UI was so unbearably slow, the only thing I use it for is user permissions. Maybe it's only on OS X, but the app was completely unusable compared to something like SQL Pro and I realized I was only using it because I had paid for it and it should have been not only usable but better. It really isn't. The UI slowness is so bad, the team that maintains it should be ashamed of themselves, especially for charging money. It's a native app after all! They can't even blame electron or whatever fw of the day for this, afaik.

Re: Sequel Pro – Open source macOS native MySQL GUI client

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Post by h1d » Sat, Jan 19, 2019, 12:26 AM UTC

masklinn wrote: post #102

alpb wrote: post #36

Projects like these should be celebrated through donations and this project makes it easy. When’s the last time you’ve seen freeware developer tool for macOS that’s not from a corporation with money to spare? I personally can’t think of anything beyond iTerm (utility), Homebrew (utility), ...aaand that's where my list ends.

cyberduck, iina, adium, notational velocity, divvy, hex fiend, keka, xee, unicodechecker, textual, … That's just a subset of what I saw scanning my /Applications, and I don't specifically look out for replacing existing software with free (whether freedom or beer) applications.

Mac's third party app lineup is just so much better than Windows in my opinion, I don't care what OS to use but not going to leave Mac because of them.

Windows culture of free but mediocre or good but bloated and expensive never really hits the right spot.

Re: Sequel Pro – Open source macOS native MySQL GUI client

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Post by h1d » Sat, Jan 19, 2019, 12:28 AM UTC

saagarjha wrote: post #48

alpb wrote: post #36

Projects like these should be celebrated through donations and this project makes it easy. When’s the last time you’ve seen freeware developer tool for macOS that’s not from a corporation with money to spare? I personally can’t think of anything beyond iTerm (utility), Homebrew (utility), ...aaand that's where my list ends.

If you're talking strictly developer tools, I have GitUp and Hex Fiend in my Dock right now. If you stray out further into productivity tools, I have Hammerspoon, Jumpcut, Karabiner-Elements off the top of my head; on the command-line side MacPorts brings me many cross-platform tools.

Unclutter is also good for clipboard manager as well as taking a quick memo that doesn't get in the way.