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The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR

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Yeah, let's see how this goes with the quarterly results.

Historically 90% of pundit/press claims have been proven to be utter BS. If I had a penny for each "Apple is doomed" and "iPhone model XXX not selling" I would have, well, 10s of dollars...

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I don't understand why people are so confused on this. Apple ships models that fill the lower price brands. It is the iPhone 7 and iPhone 8 which are still supported and being sold.

But I don't want an iPhone 7 or an 8. And it makes no sense that Apple sell both the 7 and the 8. Apple should make a phone like the SE which is made for the low-mid market, not just discount its old models.

The SE wasn’t made for the low-mid market.

It was a miniaturised iPhone 6s released while the 6s was ‘current’, and got to ‘low-mid market’ pricing by being discounted as it got older.

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Xiaomi's new phone is something like that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HCcP0YexTU&feature=youtu.be...

Neat, would you mind sharing the model name? I lack the patience (and at the moment, bandwidth) for most video.

Xiaomi Mi Mix 3

It has a slide-out front camera. So when you are not using the selfie camera, there is no notch and no large bezel. (It does look like the bottom bezel is a bit larger than the top and side bezels, though)

Re: The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR

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Consider the iPod: the differentiation was about things people would care about, like size, capacity, portability, style, etc. You weren't made to feel cheap just because you entered at the lower price points. You wanted an iPod Mini, and it made sense that it cost less than the Classic: you were still getting "the best" version of the thing you desired. Same story with the Mac: buying the iBook didn't make you feel…

Yes! You hit the nail on the head! The iPhone needs to be split between iPhone Mini, iPhone and iPhone Pro, instead of current model of “last year”, “this year medium” and “this year large”. As much as I wanted to love the iPhone SE, it always felt like last year’s model. It wasn’t a differentiated product that had a proper update cycle. A lot of people in the community were hoping for a proper update to the SE. I al…

Agreed. There should be three distinctive line, and updated each year accordingly.

iPhone S - 5.8" / 6.8" OLED, Face ID, Stainless Steel, Best Camera, 4x4 Antenna. Tri- Camera

iPhone R - LCD, Under Screen Touch ID? Or Face ID with a larger bezel at top or bottom to save cost. Aluminium, 2x2 Antenna. Double Camera

iPhone E - Basically the traditional iPhone design with Touch ID with slight update in Design. Single Camera

The three model will then just iterate on their own. May be the iPhone E could even be unapologetically Plastic!.

Although I think Apple will just continue its current model until things really break.

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Or maybe the Asian market is not riding the display 's notch hype train? They might view the notch + the high price as opposing factors (I once heard a guy say "why would you pay so much for a phone with a screen that's cut on several places?"). Food for thought. I bought the X because I wanted an OLED screen iPhone. And I was digging the less bezels. The notch however is irritating me to this day, 14 months in. And…

I was really dubious about the notch design when the X was released, just as I was with dropping the home button and TouchID. However, I got to the point recently of my old iPhone 6 constantly being out of storage, so I upgraded to an XR.

FaceID has blown me away with how good it is, I’d say the success rate for identifying me is better than TouchID was. Doesn’t matter if my phone is sitting at an awkward angle in a cradle, or I’m outside in the rain with wet hands, it’ll usually get me first time.

As for the notch, generally I don’t notice it. If anything it’s kind of nice getting a little extra vertical screen space and having the clock/status tucked away where the bezel used to be. Some people complain about it getting in the way when things are full screen, but by default video and the like doesn’t expand all the way out to the edges, at which point I have basically the same size display as I did with the iPhone 6. The notch is only going to take a chunk out of what you’re watching if you explicitly request that, or if the app you’re using has been built in a way which ignores guidance from the OS on the safe area for displaying UI.

Re: The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR

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Bought and returned iPhone XS... - It lacks a home button - It lacks Touch ID which unlocks your phone instantly before meeting your face (need this when sitting idle in traffic). Face ID takes longer.. that's bad UX and possibly dangerous UX which probably has caused some dummies (many out there) to have accidents. - It's too big ... i can not text with one hand as Ive done with my 8 and all models before.

> need this when sitting idle in traffic

> has caused some dummies to have accidents

I love the lack of self-awareness...

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Why? What’s wrong with an iPhone 7 or 8? Why would you prefer an SE-like model?

Some people like smaller phones. It’s not that hard to understand.

Yes, but first one has to know that that this difference exists. Then, there may be other differences that are considered more important by a specific individual. That’s why I asked.

It is not my first time hearing that some individuals may prefer a smaller phone, and you’re correct. I don’t find that difficult to understand.

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I cannot help but think that an iPhone XR mini would have been a great seller if it hit the $450 range. I just don't understand Apple these days, its like they have reverted to the early 90's where they kept jacking the price until even the loyal customers had to exit the ship. I had so believed they would repeat the iPod strategy and start at the top end and slowly squeeze the market by introducing models that fille…

Someone made the point that Apples margins are quite consistent and have been for years. But a larger proportion of their revenue comes from services which are normally very high margin. Which implies that they are actually cutting their margins on hardware - in other words the phones are expensive because they cost more to build, not because Apple are getting greedy.

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Everyone I know who owns an iPhone XR only got it because they're in some upgrade plan that gives them a new phone every year or two. Nobody actually wants it. There's die-hards who needs the XS because it's the latest and greatest, while those who want something a little cheaper are buying an 8 Plus or original X. I really feel like the XR is a repeat of the original iPhone 7 in that it's a phone with no target audi…

Hi there, I’m one of the people who bought an XR because they wanted one.

I sacrifice a few features which, while nice to have, aren’t really essential (Force Touch, OLED display, better camera), and in exchange I get better battery life and a significantly lower price. Honestly I suspect the XR’s target audience is people who actually think about what they’re buying, while the XS is targeted at the “I must have the best” crowd, and I think as people come up on upgrading that’s going to play out.

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#160
Can someone explain why Apple needs to make the iPhone more expensive when the Dollar rises compared to the Yuan? The iPhone is produced in China, most of the components are produced in Asia, etc. Their fixed costs per phone should drop when the dollar is strong. Sure, their margins might take a hit, but raising prices isn't going to help them sell phones...

Similarly, why doesn't the phone price drop in the US?

The only explanation I have would be that contracts with suppliers are all in USD, which would mean that the suppliers are the ones profiting from the strong dollar. Is that's what is happening?

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