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Re: Evaluation of five password managers

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I've been using masterpassword [1] which is stateless and requires no sync. I wonder what the HN crowd thinks of its features. Another option with the same paradigm is lesspass [2]. 1. https://masterpassword.app/ 2. https://lesspass.com/#/

I've been using lesspass for a while, I would highly recommend it. It is extremely simple yet very effective.

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That's somewhat fair, although the 1Password X page (which is what AgileBits calls their in-browser version) describes it as being comparable to the native versions, which to me goes against OP's statement that > full functionality can’t be dependent on an app which is only available on Mac OS and/or Windows. The existence of 1Password X means that full functionality is not _dependent_ on a MacOS/Windows app. The arg…

1Password X is definitely not comparable to the native versions, and the statement was "full functionality can’t be dependent on an app which is only available on Mac OS and/or Windows." > The argument that there should be a graphical (because there _is_ a multi-platform CLI), native app for Linux, which does not depend on any browser, is a perfectly valid one -- but it is also an argument that I don't believe they'v…

I have no experience with the mac app but 1Password X is certainly better than the native windows app.

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How many Linux users don't have chrome or firefox installed? I think the article would be a bit more accurate to say there's not native client support for Linux.

None of my headless servers have Chrome or Firefox installed.

They offer a CLI for this case.

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This SAAS bias is untenable. "Use a big target" they say. "Store them with a big company" they say. "Give your data to someone, let them worry about it" they say. Meanwhile, breach after breach tells us that regardless of security, the likelihood of successful attack comes closer and closer to 1 as the size and exposure increases. It's likely that these services have already been zerodayed, and we're just waiting for…

Yeah, no. I used to (in my old job) see the raw data. They're breaching crappy third rate sites regardless of your "size and exposure" metric. Huge volumes every day.

Breaking into fifty PHP forum sites running buggy old versions is easy. Figuring out how to get anything from (picking at random since I use pass personally) Lastpass is hard work, and you're more likely to get caught, not worth it.

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It seems that Apple is working to add support for hardware tokens. It is all a bit vague, but the latest Safari Preview notes state [1]: Added support for CTAP HID authenticators on macOS It also gives me "Web Authentication" under "Experimental features" in the Develop menu. https://developer.apple.com/safari/technology-preview/releas...

Isn't that WebAuthn suppport? That is different from U2F.

Yes and no. U2F is basically the MVP of WebAuthn. If you're doing this today you should ignore U2F and just implement WebAuthn.

Firefox has WebAuthn out of the box, and there's a hack behind a pref to half-arse U2F if you still need that.

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It really doesn't. I'm a full time linux user and I can tell you the support from both lastpass and 1password is abysmal. I have to copy and paste my passwords from both of those platforms using their half-baked browser plugins that rarely work with linux clipboards.

Interesting. Browser plugins, by nature, include source code. I wonder if there's an easy fix. Can you describe the issue in a little more detail?

I took a shot at building a browser plugin for 1pass [1] a little while back.

Turns out, the hardest thing is not the crypto or the browser to app communication, but parsing the HTML to accurately find the login forms. If I remember correctly, the browser plugin on Mac actually sends the entire HTML to the app for parsing. The parser is probably quite complicated and they avoid reimplementing it in extensions that way.

[1] https://medium.com/@paulsc/making-a-1password-client-15dd39a...

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I wonder, why not a single word has been spoken about Keepass/X, which is available on all platforms (not sure about iOS, though), can work with UbiKeys, afaik, has huge im- and export support and is free from any corporate interests.

A number of features we looked at are only relevant in an enterprise (i.e., business) environment. For example, for just personal use, you probably won’t care about linked personal accounts, fine-grained access control, or what abilities company administrators have, but all of these questions were important to us.

They were not evaluating pw managers from point of personal user but as a company. You don't want to share one file with all passwords with all company.

Re: Evaluation of five password managers

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This SAAS bias is untenable. "Use a big target" they say. "Store them with a big company" they say. "Give your data to someone, let them worry about it" they say. Meanwhile, breach after breach tells us that regardless of security, the likelihood of successful attack comes closer and closer to 1 as the size and exposure increases. It's likely that these services have already been zerodayed, and we're just waiting for…

Take in mind the whole evaluation was from company perspective. What those services are solving is company employees slacking passwords around, sending those via emails and using generic passwords like 'CompanyName123' or 'CompanyName!!!'.

Personally I am also not going to use cloud based solution.

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> Mac OS, Windows, Linux, Android, and iOS ... full functionality can’t be dependent on an app which is only available on Mac OS and/or Windows. In other words, lack of full Linux support is a show-stopper for us. This ruled out 1Password... ...Huh? 1Password supports all of those platforms (including Linux) https://1password.com/downloads/linux/

As they note on the table, support is poor, but it exists

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Just idle curiosity, but I'd be curious to see BitWarden's commit on GitHub: > ...at one point during our evaluation we submitted a bug report about Bitwarden through its Github project; one of the product’s maintainers committed a bug fix seventeen minutes later , and just a few days after that the fix was released to the public.

Is Bitwarden a native app on mac? Or it's an electron app? Can we use it with dropbox sync instead of their web sync?
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