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Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by slededit » Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 2:51 AM UTC

Aloha wrote: post #148

slededit wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They ship 32-bit versions still to support those people. As a former msft engineer it was a huge pain in the ass to have to build the 32-bit version all the time - but customers used and relied on it.

And the technical reason is you cant run NTVDM when the processor is in long mode, because Virtual 8086 Mode cant be run from Long Mode.

I always thought that was a bullshit excuse. They could have emulated it. Its not like 16-bit apps are on the bleeding edge of performance. Still nobody else is supporting 16-bit applications at all anymore so you have to give them credit.

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by 0xEFF » Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 2:52 AM UTC

tabtab wrote: post #108

fludlight wrote: post #104

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About seven or eight years ago, I tried to migrate my small employer to Microsoft cloud Exchange (email). I forget what they were calling it back then. We were an Outlook shop so MS seemed like the logical choice. I spent a few days setting everything up and testing it. I flipped the switch and...silence. No incoming email for a few hours in the middle of a Friday night. CEO calls me at 2am asking why our prospective…

It was bleeding edge tech; that happens.

Email circa 2010 was not bleeding edge technology.

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by jmontano » Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 2:53 AM UTC

VikingCoder wrote: post #73

lalos wrote: post #8

Microsoft will reap the rewards of supporting XP and Office for decades, that wins enterprise trust & goodwill, and clients will expect that from Azure. On the other hand, every month we have a new product/service of Google being deprecated (officially or by raising prices). Even if it's technically better, the most sane business decision from enterprise would be to bet on Microsoft for support reasons. Microsoft tal…

I can't even tell you how many connectivity and graphics technologies MS launched, I developed on, and then they abandoned. I struggle to understand why people think MS deserves enterprise trust & goodwill.

I guess enterprise trust them because they speak the same language. Also under Nadella's lead Microsoft has shown it can eat it's own dog food and turn it into profit. Turning from a software house into a full cloud business, the so called "digital transformation".

Most of their customers see that and wanna follow the same path.

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by romed » Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 2:53 AM UTC

MR4D wrote: post #140

I predict they will settle for fourth - after Apple. Give it 2 years, 4 tops.

Apple's cloud is already stored on Google's cloud. How do you figure it will work? Apple and Google cloud will somehow become mutually self-hosting?

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by cobookman » Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 2:58 AM UTC

meddlepal wrote: post #54

WestCoastJustin wrote: post #12

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The UI is, um, lets say, very unconventional for non-windows folks. It is extremely sluggish compared to AWS or GCP. As in, each page takes several seconds+ to fully load vs AWS/GCP. Maybe this is just for me, or an IE vs Chrome issue or something, I'm not sure. The horizontal panning in the UI is pretty strange for the uninitiated too. Everyone else, the entire internet pretty much scrolls up/down on a web page but…

Hearing that the UI in Azure is sluggish compared to GCP's craptacular UI... is disappointing. I still don't know how Google can be so bad at creating responsive user interfaces.

Because it's all angularjs. And angular is slow

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by sandGorgon » Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 3:10 AM UTC

Azure's UX is terrible. They have this weird sliding, Metro UI that takes a lot of learning to figure out. Every startup that I have talked to has hated using Azure. Even the pricing is so hard to figure out. There is some weird intermediate conversion when looking up the price for managed databases.

Microsoft is known to throw brilliant discounts into bundling cloud along with its other Office stuff. Not sure if they are using this as leverage.

In India, I know for a fact that the banks that are moving to the cloud are doing it on Azure, because Microsoft is not afraid of heavy compliances. It's hard to speak to a human in Google Cloud.

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by foota » Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 3:14 AM UTC

ewhauser421 wrote: post #69

I see a lot of Google Cloud bashing on this thread, so thought I'd share my viewpoint as a customer. We've been a Google Cloud customer for close to a year now and just recently signed a deal to move all of our infrastructure over to them from AWS. I've previously managed infrastructure spends of $>10M a year on AWS before, so have a decent amount of experience with them. I've never used Azure. We had been running ou…

What's prefix reporting?

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by markbnj » Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 3:16 AM UTC

matchagaucho wrote: post #38

lalos wrote: post #8

Microsoft will reap the rewards of supporting XP and Office for decades, that wins enterprise trust & goodwill, and clients will expect that from Azure. On the other hand, every month we have a new product/service of Google being deprecated (officially or by raising prices). Even if it's technically better, the most sane business decision from enterprise would be to bet on Microsoft for support reasons. Microsoft tal…

The inability to connect with a real human when escalating Google Cloud issues seems to be recurring theme on HN.

We're a pretty small fish as Google Cloud clients go, but we have honestly not had this problem at all. We get very fast response to support tickets, and on the rare occasions where we've had to escalate they have gone as far as setting up hangouts with senior engineers.

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by markbnj » Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 3:19 AM UTC

Microsoft is much better positioned than Google to build a large cloud business off their enterprise customers. IT execs need a "cloud strategy." MS can move their existing apps right into Azure. Presto, you have a good story for the board. Their success in this sphere doesn't surprise me. Google's cloud business growth is nothing to sneeze at, and I don't know whether it matters that they are in third place or not.

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by binomialxenon » Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 3:20 AM UTC

cenal wrote: post #112

lalos wrote: post #8

Microsoft will reap the rewards of supporting XP and Office for decades, that wins enterprise trust & goodwill, and clients will expect that from Azure. On the other hand, every month we have a new product/service of Google being deprecated (officially or by raising prices). Even if it's technically better, the most sane business decision from enterprise would be to bet on Microsoft for support reasons. Microsoft tal…

Don’t forget the rapid and severe Google maps price increases. These are the gift that will keep on giving for Microsoft and Amazon in the mindshare of developers and business leaders. Incredibly stupid move.

I have to thank Google for that, it was probably the quickest way to drive more competition in the maps space.