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If 3 other people pledge with me, I’ll delete my Facebook account right now. I’ve already exported all my data.
Just do it, you don't need other people to affirm you
I know I don’t need it, it’s about impact.
Delay, Deny and Deflect: How Facebook’s Leaders Fought Through Crisis
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If 3 other people pledge with me, I’ll delete my Facebook account right now. I’ve already exported all my data.
No takers so far after 6 hours. Expected to see at least one person. I'm definitely not one of them. I use it for networking. Pretty much everyone in the board game industry is on Facebook at the moment (publishers, designers, developers, artists, media, etc), to get feedback from each other, coordinate events, and reach out to fans and potential customers.
I commented pretty far down a long thread. I didn’t expect much. Like you, the network is what I’m afraid of losing.
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Perhaps, but this quote is used so frequently on HN that you should probably just assume it's already been posted to every comment thread.
What, you haven't had enough of that quote yet? How about "If it's free, you're not the customer, you're the product?"
That one should be in a banner across the top.
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The two part Frontline episode on PBS really illustrates your point. Facebook needs to take a stand.
Any link to the videos? I'd love to see them.
2-parts. features a ton of interviews with high level executives including the facebook "head of growth"
and alex stamos who was the security chief. I thought stamos came out of the interview seeming pretty forthright and direct (he no longer works at facebook). the other executives did not come off so well...
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#155Makes me think about the quote ‘It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!’ Of course they don’t care about anything but profit and growth because it’s what makes them richer.
The leadership of Facebook has more money than they could ever enjoy. They do all this sleazy stuff because they enjoy being sleazy.
You should really take a look at the price tags of luxury yachts sometime. The cost of extreme luxury expands to completely use up the unending streams of money directed at it
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You're not seeing the issue with extrapolating a survey that lasted barely a week, from Pew Research, to an authoritative statement about the zeitgeist of the entire country? Okay. I specifically called out the date range issue in my original comment. But it seems like people can't move past the impulse to (in)correct me about pop statistics. I never said the issue was small sample size.
The reason you're getting downvoted is that your argument is basically "well what if they're wrong?" Pew has established a reputation as an organization who conducts polls regularly and properly. You are a throwaway account on HN. To be Bayesian about it, the priors are way better for Pew than for you. If you have specific, substantive criticisms of how Pew conducted that particular poll, by all means, share them and…
I don't really care why I'm being downvoted, nor did I ask. It's not relevant. I'll continually double down on this point regardless, unless you can actually refute what I'm saying instead of (like the others) trying to point out perceived inconsistencies in what I'm saying, or attacking points I didn't make.
I already made my substantive criticism. You cannot extrapolate the results of a survey evaluated over a 1 - 2 week period to the modal opinion of the American population. To spell it out for you: I vehemently disagree that you can adequately randomly sample a representative subset of the American population in a two week period.
Do you have a substantive rebuttal to that criticism? Evaluate my point on its own merits, not whether or not it's coming from a throwaway account (which this is not).
To put it bluntly, I'm a little stunned no one else is considering that survey as critically as I am. Even if it's ultimately a sound methodology, it's pretty frustrating for that to be taken as an uncontroversial fact without any challenge.
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You're not seeing the issue with extrapolating a survey that lasted barely a week, from Pew Research, to an authoritative statement about the zeitgeist of the entire country? Okay. I specifically called out the date range issue in my original comment. But it seems like people can't move past the impulse to (in)correct me about pop statistics. I never said the issue was small sample size.
> I never said the issue was small sample size. > a quarter of the 4,594 people surveyed by Pew Research between May 29 and June 11 report deleting the Facebook app. Emphasis yours .
Yes, that was an element of what I stated. Now re-read the rest of what you quoted. See the bit about the date range?
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If he was being honest, Cook would have said: "Privacy to us is a comparative advantage, because we can't make world class web products." You can see the difference between these two statements in action in cases where Apple absolutely needs government approval and market share (China) or a good product (search engine / Google), they immediately ditch this "human right".
That comparative advantage has also made them the most valuable company in the world so your normative lens may be a bit biased — it seems like one could easily say googles comparative disadvantage is their business model precludes then from offering lucrative high margin privacy-protecting products. The point about maps feels rather non germane as apple does have its own maps product.
What made them the most valuable company in the world was selling billions of phones, not their stance on privacy.
I didn't say anything about maps.
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That comparative advantage has also made them the most valuable company in the world so your normative lens may be a bit biased — it seems like one could easily say googles comparative disadvantage is their business model precludes then from offering lucrative high margin privacy-protecting products. The point about maps feels rather non germane as apple does have its own maps product.
What made them the most valuable company in the world was selling billions of phones, not their stance on privacy. I didn't say anything about maps.
> What made them the most valuable company in the world was selling billions of phones, not their stance on privacy.
Can't just be that as others sell more billions of phones, right?
> I didn't say anything about maps.
You're right, I misread that part of your post.
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This is exactly it. Look, Facebook needs to get its act together. They are in need for serious reform. However, mainstream media knows that Facebook is under a ton of pressure and these types of stories generate a ton of clicks. I know people want Facebook to die, but Facebook's usage has remained pretty much the same during all these negative stories. The public is not hating Facebook as much as people want to belie…
I mean, you can bloody well hate some business and still patronize it. I'd wager most Americans hate their cable company. I agree there's little risk of users deserting Facebook en masse, but what we may see is lawmakers coming down on FB like a ton of bricks. It will be popular, too: Heavily regulating social media and slapping them with massive fines will be winning issues with constituents on both sides of the ais…
I'd wager most Americans hate their cable company.
Pro tip (no pun intended): never use residential cable service. Always sign up for business-class service. You will get more-or-less infinitely better support, less telephone tag when things go wrong, faster maintenance attention, and fewer hassles in general, all without paying much more. Anecdotally, this also keeps you off the radar of anti-piracy crusaders, since users in business-grade IP blocks are more likely to have the resources to fight back.