I started using DDG and Firefox after Chrome v69. I couldn't always find what I needed with DDG so I use g! when the search doesn't cut it (~20% of the time) but for the other 80% it's great. I've loved some unique features like the stack overflow first answer integration.I also noticed a big increase in Google advertising recently. Ads in the Gmail app and new types of ads--shopping ads below the YouTube video above the description and movie poster type ads on the right panel of some movie trailers. I bet their ad revenue in the next quarter is going to increase significantly. Is there a new person in charge or new decisions in place to serve more ads?
(sorry about the Google search heavy comment but DDG revenue generation got me thinking about Google revenue)
What is the revenue generation model for DuckDuckGo?
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Re: What is the revenue generation model for DuckDuckGo?
#152I switched about two years ago and do not miss any Google stuff. I think one very important point is persistent search: if I type in a query in my browser, I get the exact same result as in p.e. in my moms browser. A things that is so annoying in Google, because even an incognito browser give personalised search result. So the experience in fast finding tech help in Google can inverse on an non techy device. Using dd…
I generally agree. I'd like the same search to return the same results. But I bet there are things I'd be willing for it to be different. I can only think of 'food near me' though
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#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
Went to try it for a week to see if it was viable. Haven't looked back and have never needed to go to Google's search engine for a year now. Best feature is by far the Stack Overflow 'instant answers'!
I have it as my primary search engine now too, but I find myself constantly using !g because the results suck.
Try !s instead of !g for startpage. Same results, less tracking.
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#154> "Here are a few actionable things companies can do to remain profitable without tracking the maximum amount of information possible on consumers:" Can we add to his list: > Offer a paid option such that consumers who want to pay for privacy / less ads / no ads can. > Along with a paid option, companies should develop partnerships with like minded peers. For example, DDG could pair with various VPN providers and the…
Offer a paid option such that consumers who want to pay for privacy / less ads / no ads can The problem is that the customers with disposable income to pay to see no ads are exactly the people that admen want to reach. So it's unlikely that any ad-supported company will offer this. It would be as good as admitting to their real customers that their inventory (i.e. us) was of "low quality".
I am also the type of users who dismiss any and every ads I see (after ad blocking), such as the infuriating Instagram Ads. I always dismiss & report them.
I figured at some point Facebook would see that I don't want to see them, and cease wasting advertisers money on me, but I suppose Facebook doesn't really care who it shows its ads to, as long as the advertisers already paid. I don't understand why advertisers keep paying, though.
Re: What is the revenue generation model for DuckDuckGo?
#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have it as my primary search engine now too, but I find myself constantly using !g because the results suck.
Try !s instead of !g for startpage. Same results, less tracking.
Similar results. Sometimes the Google bubble helps.
But I agree. I check on DuckDuckGo, if I can't find what I'm looking for, most of the time, adding !s finds it. If not, I go back and switching to !g.
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#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
When a DDG search has results that seem unsatisfactory then just do a follow up Google bang with !g Often with technical searches the DDG results seem better.
The "just" in having to analyze some results and come to the conclusion that I need to rerun the query with some prefix is not so convincing. I've already wasted time at that point.
You still have to analyze results anyway. Or do you only take the first result that Google provides?
As to rerun the query, that's what the back button is for. Simply hit back, add your bang and enter. Most browsers keep that page in cache so going back is pretty quick.
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#157> In fact, search advertisers buy search ads by bidding on keywords, not people. It makes intuitive sense, too. If you search for ‘car’, you are more likely to respond to a car ad than something you searched for last week. This keyword-based advertising is our primary business model. The rest of the post is a rant about user tracking.
> The rest of the post is a rant about user tracking. Almost. There's also: > "The only other way we’ve found so far, which currently accounts for a much smaller portion of our revenue, is non-tracking affiliate partnerships with Amazon and eBay. > "When you visit those sites through DuckDuckGo, including when using !bangs, and subsequently make a purchase, we receive a small commission. This mechanism operates anony…
that is a clever strategy -- there's a reason so many blogspam websites use it.
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#158I switched about two years ago and do not miss any Google stuff. I think one very important point is persistent search: if I type in a query in my browser, I get the exact same result as in p.e. in my moms browser. A things that is so annoying in Google, because even an incognito browser give personalised search result. So the experience in fast finding tech help in Google can inverse on an non techy device. Using dd…
I generally agree. I'd like the same search to return the same results. But I bet there are things I'd be willing for it to be different. I can only think of 'food near me' though
Of course, it wasn't meant too generally. I also don't want to get the same results over years p.e. To summarize: I strongly prefere non personalized results, persistence was the wrong term here. So "food near me" should give us the same results, when we're at the same place (& nearly same time).
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#159I don’t like how he presented the “creepy” line out of context. It was about doing things that are magical enough to make users happy, and just magical enough to not be creepy. Almost looks like he’s accusing Eric of claiming Google wants to be as unscrupulous in the way they operate as possible without being caught
>Almost looks like he’s accusing Eric of claiming Google wants to be as unscrupulous in the way they operate as possible without being caught Eric has said in public it is official Google policy to walk right up to the "creepy" line, so the accusation is not unwarranted given that google operates worldwide, and not every country has the same views on privacy as Americans. https://www.businessinsider.com/eric-schmidt-…
How is that article not saying exactly what OP said and what I dispute?
The context of the quote was medical implants in brains and his words were
“Our policy on a lot of these things is to get up to the creepy line and not cross it [and that would cross it]”
What he was clearly referring to is advanced tech projects, not general policy.
It sounds like a play on the old any sufficiently advanced technology resembling magic line, and is completely harmless...
Until you start taking it out of context and ignoring some of the words he said.
Re: What is the revenue generation model for DuckDuckGo?
#160I don’t like how he presented the “creepy” line out of context. It was about doing things that are magical enough to make users happy, and just magical enough to not be creepy. Almost looks like he’s accusing Eric of claiming Google wants to be as unscrupulous in the way they operate as possible without being caught
That's a pretty fair accusation I would say, they both do borderline illegal tax planning and manipulate search results for their own benefit. They also have deployed a hugely broken ip management system on youtube, and of course (like everyone else) they use workers on short term contracts to moderate all the violent shit that gets posted with little regard for the psychological impact on their workers of reviewing…
He was talking about medical implants and alludes to the statement being about their advanced technological projects (ie. moonshots)
He wasn’t talking about general Google policy.