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anybody can elaborate on why amazonians can't pull a Google and make them drop the contract?

No company employees other than Google are known to be as vocal about business decisions,AFAIK. Culture matters. The culture which Larry,Sergey and others started is reaping benefits today. I might be wrong,but if we look at companies in general, Google is the closest to having a democracy-type of vibe.

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I am not an American and I obviously have no right to meddle in your affairs. But only today Trump tweeted out Obama being against immigration and then from their the rabbit hole went deeper and there was a video of gasp, bernie sanders calling open borders a "Koch brother" conspiracy. I'm beginning to wonder if anyone high up in America really has any integrity? I fail to see anyone who is consistent in their views…

I'm fairly right of center and I had never seen the video you mentioned until I looked it up just now. My jaw literally dropped, I could not believe it is the same person speaking just 3 years ago. I did not vote in 2016 but I would have voted for 2015 Bernie Sanders any day had I seen this interview.

Of course, I would've been disappointed with where my vote ended up now that Bernie is apparently an ICE abolitionist. I always respected Bernie and figured his endorsement of Hillary was a one time act of pragmatism. But this interview is something else, replace "Koch brothers" with "Soros" and all of a sudden you have an alt right conspiracy theory.

What's more surprising is that the Vox video only has 170k views after so many years of political dirt digging. We certainly live in interesting times.

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Sure and while you're at it why not implement cameras all over every roadway to automatically ticket you every time you break the speed limit. Or better yet, why not devise a real time geolocation device to be embedded in cars and then lobby for it to be nationally adopted so people literally can't speed? The reality is that very few people want to live in that world and even if we do fully adopt technologies like th…

> why not devise a real time geolocation device to be embedded in cars and then lobby for it to be nationally adopted so people literally can't speed

The insurance companies are absolutely working on this. https://www.moneysupermarket.com/car-insurance/telematics/

In re immigration, the desire for more enforcement will inevitably lead to a national ID system, even if it's a "shadow" one like shadow Facebook profiles. The UK already has requirements for "proof of migration status" if you want to rent somewhere to live or have a bank account, and they keep trying to bring it into healthcare and schools.

In a country where illegal voter purges are a big problem, this will make the situation worse. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/oct/19/georgia-gove...

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

if you're on a highway, then a car driving 30mph is much more dangerous than one which is 10mph over speed limit.

Do you have a statistic confirming that? Most highway deaths are due to speed, not due to driving slow. Driving slow can provoke people behind to do dangerous things, but it's on them, not on a slow driver.

Maybe most accidents are due to speed because a lot fewer people drive too slowly.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where does it say that foreigners can't vote in the constitution? Up until the 20th century the only requirement to vote in most states was residency, not citizenship. Many places only required 6 months stay to vote no matter who or where you were from, others required a commitment to long-term residency. It wasn't until women's and black's voting rights started becoming a popular issue that voting was redefined to m…

You need to consider how the US was originally intended to be organized, which is radically different than what is has become. States were envisioned as practically independent nations which would be tied together by an extremely minimal set of shared rules and obligations. The constitution doesn't really lay out many rules for states at all. What it does lay out is mostly just things preventing states from taking on…

> it makes no sense for the constitution to tell states how they can or cannot vote. This was antithetical to the entire notion of what the United States was supposed to be

The United States was originally "supposed" to be made up of a number of slave states where a large chunk of the population wasn't allowed to vote (but their numbers still counted for seat allocation). Everything follows from there - they went to war with the US government, lost, and had their independence taken away to ensure fair treatment of the black population.

Without the Federal government a number of those states would revert to apartheit.

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Sure and while you're at it why not implement cameras all over every roadway to automatically ticket you every time you break the speed limit. Or better yet, why not devise a real time geolocation device to be embedded in cars and then lobby for it to be nationally adopted so people literally can't speed? The reality is that very few people want to live in that world and even if we do fully adopt technologies like th…

> ticket you every time you break the speed limit.

Generally I'm against government spying and tracking, but I really don't think cities could afford the traffic situation of every driver obeying the speed limit. Think about how many commuters exceed the speed limit every single day, and imagine if every person were forced to actually drive the limit at all times. I would expect at least a 10% increase in on-road-traffic at a given time, and that's being conservative. Some places might not be able to support the additional stress on traffic.

Is it time to rethink our speed laws?

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This was something that came up shortly after the Snowden documents were released. I don't remember who made the point (maybe Moxie Marlinspike), but they pointed out how important it is to be able to break the law. That breaking the law is an vital means of effecting change in the US: kids smoke pot illegally and grow up to be adults that push to legalize it. Gay people are more and more open and successfully push f…

Right; it's based on the assumption (which I share) that laws aren't perfect, and that the prime way of finding out whether they are is by people breaking them. The other requirement is the ability to change laws, otherwise this would indeed only enable selective (i.e. seemingly random) enforcement.

I believe the idea goes "law is created by man, and man is imperfect", or something like that.

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#158

Sure and while you're at it why not implement cameras all over every roadway to automatically ticket you every time you break the speed limit. Or better yet, why not devise a real time geolocation device to be embedded in cars and then lobby for it to be nationally adopted so people literally can't speed? The reality is that very few people want to live in that world and even if we do fully adopt technologies like th…

Count you as a yes, because you don’t have any choice in the matter.

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#159

Sure and while you're at it why not implement cameras all over every roadway to automatically ticket you every time you break the speed limit. Or better yet, why not devise a real time geolocation device to be embedded in cars and then lobby for it to be nationally adopted so people literally can't speed? The reality is that very few people want to live in that world and even if we do fully adopt technologies like th…

> Sure and while you're at it why not implement cameras all over every roadway to automatically ticket you every time you break the speed limit.

This is a common and interesting sarcasm.

It is interesting because the law is indeed that drivers should get a ticket every time they break the speed limit (or for any other driving offence).

These technologies enable the law to be applied absolutely for the first time. The law is no longer subject to the major caveat "if caught". You break the speed limit you are fined, you litter you are fined, etc. 100% of the time.

Many people seems uncomfortable with that, which is interesting.

Perhaps the discussion should be about the rule of law, punishment, and leeway rather than technology.

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post #156

Sure and while you're at it why not implement cameras all over every roadway to automatically ticket you every time you break the speed limit. Or better yet, why not devise a real time geolocation device to be embedded in cars and then lobby for it to be nationally adopted so people literally can't speed? The reality is that very few people want to live in that world and even if we do fully adopt technologies like th…

> ticket you every time you break the speed limit. Generally I'm against government spying and tracking, but I really don't think cities could afford the traffic situation of every driver obeying the speed limit. Think about how many commuters exceed the speed limit every single day, and imagine if every person were forced to actually drive the limit at all times. I would expect at least a 10% increase in on-road-tra…

Perhaps if the speed limits were enforced with nearly 100% efficiency, they might be changed. Until then speeding fines are pretty much state sponsored highway robbery.
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