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Post by diggernet »

mchannon wrote: post #100
Someone1234 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The FCRA is completely irrelevant to the topic here, because it's inapplicable to the above examples and United would argue they are similarly not violating it. Nobody said they were violating it. The topic was that they would be violating it if they submitted their fictional debts to a credit rating agency or to a collections agent. Therefore they're never going to make good on their threats, because UA knows this…

Those "debts" uncollected are just as much real to a credit agency or a bill collector as a late truck rental or motel overstay. I'm pretty sure there's some forced arbitration language in their contract of carriage, so the recourse you're counting on in practice just isn't there. If you keep a rental truck an extra day, it may or may not disadvantage the rental company. You might be saving them storage costs because…

Your slightly less inane argument is a good example for why they would deny last minute refunds, because some of those expenses cannot be undone at the last minute. But if the paid passengers take the flight, their ticket costs cover all those expenses you list. By failing to take the flight and not requesting a refund, a passenger does not add to those expenses, and even reduces the fuel expense slightly. So where are the damages?

Re: United Airlines Threatens to Engage Collections for Passengers Who Skip Segments

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Post by nemo846 »

rconti wrote: post #27
Someone1234 wrote: post #7

I doubt UA would follow through considering it is illegal to submit known false debts. Plus they're outright wrong that it constitutes "fraud," if for no other reason than the person skipping additional legs didn't profit from it, instead they simply limited UA's ability to further profit off of their travel. If this was "fraud" then any other airline discount or saving would be too. Shop around for the cheapest pric…

This is insane on a whole other level, because United profits when you don't get on that 2nd leg. If they're overbooked, they avoid having to pay to bump someone. They incur less in fuel costs, as the plane lands in its destination city with a slightly greater fuel load. Some passenger somewhere has a more pleasant flight because they have an empty seat next to them.

I think they will just carry less fuel. Hauling around fuel - that has weight - you don’t use will just result in you burning more fuel than necessary.

Heck, jetliners actually can’t land if the tank is too full - https://youtu.be/R9oqi6HteJg

Re: United Airlines Threatens to Engage Collections for Passengers Who Skip Segments

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Post by jki275 »

brewdad wrote: post #150
jki275 wrote: post #140

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The flights are nearly always separate planes, and even if they're not they do count heads on the plane and if you walk up, hand in your boarding pass, and then walk away they're going to note that down because now they have to go into the computer and verify whether you have bags onboard that they have to offload because you aren't taking the flight. There's no scenario where they don't know exactly who is sitting i…

>>There's no scenario where they don't know exactly who is sitting in what seat for every seat on every plane when it takes off, it's all just data in the computer they can reference. I would amend that slightly. They know exactly how many people have boarded the plane and presumably who they are. People move seats to allow families to sit together or trade a window for an aisle on many flights. The airlines aren't m…

Actually they track that now. The flight attendants are absolutely brutal about enforcing and knowing exactly who sits in what seat to the point that if you get up and move without asking they will come up to you and tell you to go back to your seat. I'm sure people do occasionally get away with moving without being noticed, but that's not the norm anymore.

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Post by rebecca19 »

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Re: United Airlines Threatens to Engage Collections for Passengers Who Skip Segments

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Post by scrumper »

otterley wrote: post #143
scrumper wrote: post #134

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Lay person here. Fraud is a criminal matter isn't it? Can United directly sue the passenger in civil court, or must they file a complaint with law enforcement and let a prosecutor handle it?

There’s civil fraud and criminal fraud, just like there’s wrongful death (civil) and murder (criminal). The difference is that there’s no imprisonment or other societal penalties for being liable under civil law - only money is involved.

Thanks for that - appreciate the response.

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Post by londons_explore »

leelin wrote: post #30

One point in defense of the airlines that people often forget. There are certain taxes and fees the airlines must pay when a passenger flies from A to B. However, the government of location B waives fees for connections flying from A to B to C. That makes sense; the passenger never actually visited B. Passengers can find a cheaper ticket flying JFK->TPE->HKG and ditching the final leg (carry-on only). However, if an…

Is it a tax on the person, collected by the airline, or a tax on the airline, charged at a per person rate?

Re: United Airlines Threatens to Engage Collections for Passengers Who Skip Segments

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Post by lordlimecat »

cft wrote: post #114
lordlimecat wrote: post #110

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>How does buying something indicate your intent, wants, or wishes? Because when you buy a united ticket you agree to a contract of carriage that specifically says you will use the ticket in its entirety.

Note that this contract is not a law: i would be surprised if it stood in court. According to it, if I feel sick and terminate my flight at the stopover, of if I learn of a business emergency and I have to go back, I am still in breach of this ridiculous contract? And what makes it most ridiculous is this: "Any practice that United believes, in its sole discretion , is exploitative, abusive or that manipulates/bypass…

Contracts have to be argued in court, but you're going to have a tough time arguing that case on a contract whose terms you intended to breach even as you agreed to them.
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