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Air India Express 737 Hits ILS, Damages Wall on Departure, Flies for 4 Hours

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Post by einrealist »

nmstoker wrote: post #66

Question for professional pilots here: does this feel like normal behaviour for a pilot? From my limited experience of pilots, this seems entirely unlike the kind of behaviour you'd expect - they're usually conservative when it comes to safety or is that just the projected image to reassure the public?!

There is nothing about the ‚why’. Maybe they had an engine problem past V1 and decided to go. The long go around can be explained with them having to focus on stabilizing the situation, maybe involving problems with the landing gear. Even with the severe damage, the inner cabin and pressurization must have been intact. Assuming human failure should come last, when we have no details about the cause.

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Post by rhn_mk1 »

I hate articles introducing three-letter-mysteries and leaving the readers in confusion. To add insult to injury, none of the comments seem to acknowledge that the topic is impentrable.

What is the mysterious ILS that was hit?

Even after reading the Wikipedia article, I only have a vague idea - seems to be a radar system, both on ground and in the air. Did the plane hit a radar tower?

Re: Air India Express 737 Hits ILS, Damages Wall on Departure, Flies for 4 Hours

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Post by briancollins »

rhn_mk1 wrote: post #152

I hate articles introducing three-letter-mysteries and leaving the readers in confusion. To add insult to injury, none of the comments seem to acknowledge that the topic is impentrable. What is the mysterious ILS that was hit? Even after reading the Wikipedia article, I only have a vague idea - seems to be a radar system, both on ground and in the air. Did the plane hit a radar tower?

ILS stands for instrument landing system. It's a set of antennae that produce radio signals to guide the aircraft to the runway. The plane must have struck one of those antennae.

Re: Air India Express 737 Hits ILS, Damages Wall on Departure, Flies for 4 Hours

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Post by guiriduro »

SOLAR_FIELDS wrote: post #54
nirav72 wrote: post #20

Air India, an old antiquated government subsidized airline that should die.

The government has actually been trying to kill it for years but no one wants it: https://money.cnn.com/2018/05/31/investing/air-india-privati...

This might provide the government the opportunity to shutter it for good.

Re: Air India Express 737 Hits ILS, Damages Wall on Departure, Flies for 4 Hours

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Post by egeozcan »

rhn_mk1 wrote: post #152

I hate articles introducing three-letter-mysteries and leaving the readers in confusion. To add insult to injury, none of the comments seem to acknowledge that the topic is impentrable. What is the mysterious ILS that was hit? Even after reading the Wikipedia article, I only have a vague idea - seems to be a radar system, both on ground and in the air. Did the plane hit a radar tower?

I think it depends on the audience and in this case the site is flightradar24.com. I also had to google that BTW.

Re: Air India Express 737 Hits ILS, Damages Wall on Departure, Flies for 4 Hours

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Post by improbable22 »

kijin wrote: post #147
mbell wrote: post #97

Unless I'm misinterpreting the satellite image its ~150m from the end of the runway to that wall[0] and it also looks a bit downhill from the runway to the wall[1]. I don't see how this could happen without the pilots noticing; they would have been skimming the ground well past the end of the runway. [0] https://www.google.com/maps/place/Tiruchirapalli+Internation... [1] https://twitter.com/shukla_tarun/status/105058…

Perhaps they were slightly airborne, like 0.5m above the ground, but ground-based instruments recorded the plane as still being "on the ground" (i.e. same altitude as the runway) because of the downhill slope? If they really were on the ground, the pilots would have continued to feel the vibration of the wheels against the ground, a very clear indication that they aren't flying. I'm even more surprised that the plane…

There appear to be two holes knocked in the wall, spaced about the right distance to be made by the two sets of wheels. I'm not surprised that the wheels are strong enough to knock a few bricks over & still work fine.

I also think the wall is lower than the ILS gear, so probably that is what made the gash in the belly of the plane. Amazed that nothing serious was cut.

I cannot believe the pilots were completely unaware, I mean just reaching the end of the runway without having pulled up must be a never-in-your-career kind of scary moment.

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Post by jayalpha »

distant_hat wrote: post #149
jayalpha wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Being Indian, I agree with statement about AirIndia. I would never fly in AirIndia even if the ticket price is too low, laughably they usually cost way above than any other competitors." Since I have flown with Air India, would you mind being more specific? Are the statistics? My flights were okay. Okay, zero status miles credited at Star Alliance and a bit stingy with alcohol on board. But food and service was good…

I used to be a government employee and was required to fly Air India so I flew it a fair bit. Personally, the flying bit was not that different from others. Their website was a nightmare to book on, usually I found them generous with alcohol on international flights, but sample size is small here. Their miles were hard to use, too many conditions. Staff was a bit low on professionalism. Saw a couple of fights between…

"Their website was a nightmare to book on"

I book 90% of my flights on Vayama, so no problem here. I once decided to book direct only on airline websites to make a possible ticket change easier and cheaper. The one time I tried it I had serious trouble. VPN blocked by airline, based in China, google captcha required which requires a VPN etc. I tried the booking process 4 times until I bought a ticket on Vayama. Later got an email from the airline ("your ticket got issued") so I ended up with two tickets for the same flight. I emailed them and they reimbursed the money. It was Sri Lanka airlines.

Re: Air India Express 737 Hits ILS, Damages Wall on Departure, Flies for 4 Hours

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Post by AdrianB1 »

rhn_mk1 wrote: post #152

I hate articles introducing three-letter-mysteries and leaving the readers in confusion. To add insult to injury, none of the comments seem to acknowledge that the topic is impentrable. What is the mysterious ILS that was hit? Even after reading the Wikipedia article, I only have a vague idea - seems to be a radar system, both on ground and in the air. Did the plane hit a radar tower?

The article is very clear for pilots and people with knowledge in aircraft industry, it is meant for them. ILS, ADS-B, stuff that is basic domain knowledge. There are strange things in the article, like how a plane with severe damage was allowed to raise to 36,000 where catastrophic decompression is possible (like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Airlines_Flight_123), but the basic information is there and clear.

Re: Air India Express 737 Hits ILS, Damages Wall on Departure, Flies for 4 Hours

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Post by blattimwind »

justboxing wrote: post #80

Just saw the pics of the damage on the twitter thread linked-to in the article. See below. https://twitter.com/shukla_tarun/status/1050595274869993474 Looks quite severe. I'm impressed the plane flew for 3 hours without getting destablized and crashing.... Air India has the worst safety reputation in India, and several accidents / incidents. I flew Spice Jet a few times over the last few weeks when I was there visiti…

Is this a hit and run with an airliner?

Re: Air India Express 737 Hits ILS, Damages Wall on Departure, Flies for 4 Hours

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Post by AdrianB1 »

nitinreddy88 wrote: post #94
justboxing wrote: post #80

Just saw the pics of the damage on the twitter thread linked-to in the article. See below. https://twitter.com/shukla_tarun/status/1050595274869993474 Looks quite severe. I'm impressed the plane flew for 3 hours without getting destablized and crashing.... Air India has the worst safety reputation in India, and several accidents / incidents. I flew Spice Jet a few times over the last few weeks when I was there visiti…

The most surprising part is, trichy to mumbai takes hardly 1hr flight time. What caused them to take 4hrs? In 4hrs, they could have landed in Dubai itself easily Being Indian, I agree with statement about AirIndia. I would never fly in AirIndia even if the ticket price is too low, laughably they usually cost way above than any other competitors.

They had to expend the fuel as dumping is not always an option, when you have a tail strike you don't take risks at landing, consuming the fuel to reduce weight and minimize the risk of fire is a basic option.
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