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Instagram’s Co-Founders Said to Step Down from Company

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Re: Instagram’s Co-Founders Said to Step Down from Company

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First official statement: https://instagram-press.com/blog/2018/09/24/statement-from-k... > We’re planning on taking some time off to explore our curiosity and creativity again. Building new things requires that we step back, understand what inspires us and match that with what the world needs; that’s what we plan to do. h/t to Bloomberg's @sarahfrier, who also says this: https://twitter.com/sarahfrier/status/1044419…

From later on in the Twitter thread:

> Without the founders around, Instagram is likely to become more tightly integrated with Facebook, making it more of a product division than a company within Facebook, sources say

Given the "brand tax" of Facebook in the current climate, I really hope they avoid this for their own sake.

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It’s not at all difficult to imagine a scenario where his life is better after turning down Instagram. I wouldn’t even say it’s unlikely. Just name one important relationship he formed in NYC. Done. (Or any of the other infinite ways events could have unfolded more favorably in NYC than in a hypothetical SF) An engineer in America is wealthy, and has lots of opportunity to see and experience new and interesting thing…

Ya you can imagine any scenario you want. I can imagine a scenario where a homeless person's life is better than if he had a home. It's not hard to imagine. But if you had a choice, which would you choose? I don't think the argument is conclusively "Done" after naming one important relationship he formed in NYC. I can name one important relationship he would have formed if he stayed in SF. A relationship with the fou…

> Ya you can imagine any scenario you want. I can imagine a scenario where a homeless person's life is better than if he had a home. It's not hard to imagine. But if you had a choice, which would you choose?

Homelessness is a financial hardship that actually will ruin your quality of life, which stands in stark contrast to being a homeowner. Whereas making 150k/yr in NYC instead of 2m/yr in SF just means you have plenty of space on hardwood, instead of too much space on marble. The relationship between wealth and quality of life is logarithmic.

That's not the question being asked. Obviously being an early employee at Instagram is better than having an above-average engineering job in NYC, and more money is better than less money.

The question is, do all of the events that unfold throughout the rest of his life after he moves to NYC sum to a better life than the events that would have unfolded if he had taken that job and stayed in SF?

It can't be known, we can only speculate on the probabilities.

If we know for certain that Instagram will be the success that it is, that means NYC and SF present two radically different sets of human relationships and life experiences spanning decades, but in NYC he will make a lot of money and in SF he will make an excessive amount of money.

When I consider the infinite variation and possibility contained within those unforeseeable human relationships and life experiences, and think about the impact those factors have on a person's quality of life, I don't think there's even a comparison to be made between that and the difference between making lots of money and making tons of money. The relationships and life experiences will be the dominating factors in these outcomes. Since they're both unknowable, the relative probabilities of either NYC or SF resulting in a better life lie somewhere close to 50:50, even if we know he would have been successful at Instagram in SF.

I actually do think it was an important choice, just not because of Instagram. He was tired of SF and the contemporary startup scene, and Instagram's success was still very unlikely at that point. Staying would have been a bad decision.

Re: Instagram’s Co-Founders Said to Step Down from Company

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You know how in war movies when the guy leaves the trench only to come back and find that all his friends have been killed? In the valley you leave the trench and come back to find that all your friends are rich. No words can alleviate that regret. But if you’re having near misses like this you’re actually really close to something good.

If you trouble yourself over regret on how you didn't get rich that one time, while still living a life that is probably in the upper 90th percentile comfort-wise, you aren't doing yourself any favors. Money is just numbers, and in the end we are all dead, so spending your days regretting not winning the lottery has to be one of the most stupid things to trouble your mind with. A dose of some traditional values would…

Yet I read a similar comment every day here on Hacker News. Maybe there's something cultural going on with a website run by an investment fund/startup incubator.

Re: Instagram’s Co-Founders Said to Step Down from Company

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Posting anon. In 2009, the startup where I was working was hitting the skids, and our investors (correctly) were not willing to back us. We all kept grinding for a month or two in honorable futility, but after a while, my bank account depleted and I had to go. To make various ends meet and to keep my mental health during the wind down however, I took up some contract work that I found through various friends in the S…

You know how in war movies when the guy leaves the trench only to come back and find that all his friends have been killed? In the valley you leave the trench and come back to find that all your friends are rich. No words can alleviate that regret. But if you’re having near misses like this you’re actually really close to something good.

I’ve had three misses of similar magnitude. No regrets.

Re: Instagram’s Co-Founders Said to Step Down from Company

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A lot of commenters seem to be bemoaning this poster as missing out on endless riches. Why? we already know that being super rich doesn't really make you all that much happier compared to being rich (and if you are a programmer in work in then you are pretty rich). I feel that they missed out more on the rocketship journey of being on a startup. And even then that's not everyone's cup of tea.

"and if you are a programmer in work in then you are pretty rich" Incidentally, I'm not sure if this statement has any validity outside US. I wonder why that is.

It's still valid in a couple of other countries though. I'm sure I don't make more than my friends in England for example, and I know some in Brazil that make really good money (compared to those around them who are not programmers) and I'm sure there's other countries who pay their software engineers well enough. But yeah I'm aware that there are countries where being a software developer is not that profitable sadly. I always hear of outsourcing software development overseas for simple things like having a website done.

Re: Instagram’s Co-Founders Said to Step Down from Company

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Here's an offtopic observation. This article (from the New York Times ) denoted the names of the Instagram founders as "Mr. Systrom and Mr. Krieger..." The Wall Street Journal has a corresponding article about this story. In that article, the Instagram founders' names are written, "Messrs. Systrom and Krieger..." Despite frequently reading both papers, I can't recall ever seeing "Messrs" before. I thought it was a ty…

"Messrs." is fairly common in British English, although it would be considered quite formal by most people.

Re: Instagram’s Co-Founders Said to Step Down from Company

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Well, there's more than a 50% probability that they're leaving because of conflicts with Facebook, the privacy issues and the push to add more and more ads everywhere. If this were the case, I hope they'd speak up sooner than later. We need voices from within FB and its acquisitions to tell everyone how messed up things are behind the scenes. But you have to give credit to how the company started and how it's been ru…

lolwut? Instagram today is completely different from the way it started. The app is different, the community is completely different. Literally nothing is the same. It doesn’t even resemble what it once was. It has completely devolved. It may very well be the most toxic property out there. It’s hard to imagine something more phony, optimized soley as a way to waste your time tapping away giving “likes”. Watching somo…

> 90% of the posts are garbage spam that takes the form of meme/image macro hybrid abominations designed to get likes.

I'm very active on Instagram and 90% of my feed is various electronics, art, and software projects, and family and friends' travel photos and photos of interesting stuff they come across in their day-to-day lives. If you don't like the idiotic meme accounts don't follow them!

What's missing vs. the Facebook experience is the politics, the rants from elderly relatives, the absolutely excessive poorly-targeted advertising (even in Messenger now!), and completely irrelevant posts that I'm only seeing because someone I know has liked or commented on it.

I expect all of this to change and for IG to be brought more in line with Facebook now there's nobody left to defend it from Zuckerberg. A sad day indeed.

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> No words can alleviate that regret. I can relate. I cry myself to sleep every night thinking about those bitcoins I didn't mine, back when you could get hundreds on a single GPU overnight.

Well, at least you aren’t the guy that bought two pizzas for 10 000 bitcoins. If he’d have held onto them until the $20 000 peak (a tall order in itself) he’d have netted a cool $200 million.

Did that guy who binned his hard drive with his bitcoin wallet ever retrieve it from the garbage dump? Last I heard he was planning on digging up the entire dump to find it.

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who is Larry and why does this person matter? I searched on Google but could not find anything relevant. I actually met Larry at a bitcoin event a while back. Seems like a normal guy. Is there some back story I am not aware of?

You simultaneously don't know who Larry is, but also know you met him?

You can see him, talk to him, ask his name - and still not know who is it. Is he a super-rich former founder? A VC? Chinese agent? Inherited money? Etc.

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Here's an offtopic observation. This article (from the New York Times ) denoted the names of the Instagram founders as "Mr. Systrom and Mr. Krieger..." The Wall Street Journal has a corresponding article about this story. In that article, the Instagram founders' names are written, "Messrs. Systrom and Krieger..." Despite frequently reading both papers, I can't recall ever seeing "Messrs" before. I thought it was a ty…

"Messrs." is fairly common in British English, although it would be considered quite formal by most people.

is it? I have never, ever seen it used and I've lived in the UK my whole life.
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