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Re: Modifications to Google Chromium for removing Google integration

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Just installed Vivaldi. Wow. Thanks. You can hold shift to select multiple tabs and then do all these operations, like mute them all, group them, display them tiled... and I feel like I'm just scratching the surface. It feels like the last time there was a big feature competition between all the browsers. Feature snapshots: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4wyvKMRVeY&list=PL72e6dBabY...

you can do this in chrome though...

It's true you can do some of these in each browser, but not all of them. Chrome on mobile lets you split screen tabs, but seems to require an extension on Desktop.

I think you can do tab grouping through a flag, but I haven't really pushed it.

Opera has gestures, but the system in Vivaldi seems more robust.

Re: Modifications to Google Chromium for removing Google integration

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I don't know enough Go - but it'd be awesome to port it to packet.net in particular for the 24 core Epyc boxes. Most people's VPS won't have enough RAM to run the Android builld process.

If you don't really care would the build take 2 hours or 2 days, using swap on SSD might solve the RAM problem.

I think you underestimate just how slow that'd be. My recollection is that the Android build tree is 30+GB and the build is extremely IO intensive.

Re: Modifications to Google Chromium for removing Google integration

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My preference for a well supported Chromium-based browser that's not Chrome would be to use one of the "Blink" based browsers: https://vivaldi.com https://brave.com https://www.opera.com Opera was purchased by a Chinese consortium, I'm not a fan of Brave's hijacking of ad spaces so my preference is currently vivaldi - which was founded by co-founder and former CEO of Opera and has been adding new innovative features…

I'm not a huge fan of the ad hijacking, but I find the proprietary license for Vivaldi more off-putting that the open license that Brave uses.

Re: Modifications to Google Chromium for removing Google integration

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Why does this add various flags an knobs to disable ipv6? Disabling ipv6 has nothing to do with de-googling Chrome. What is it with people disabling rather than fixing their ipv6 config (and then possibly complaining about slow adoption)?

Chromium tests if IPv6 is working by connecting to Google's DNS servers with it. This changes it to manual control so these servers can't track that connection.

Re: Modifications to Google Chromium for removing Google integration

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I actually recently added a feature to search for the cheapest spot instance price across a number of different regions. Right now for example the cheapest price for the instance type used c5.4xlarge is ~$0.15/hour in us-east-2. This equates to a full AOSP build with Chromium build included (~5.25 hours) costing $0.80 and without Chromium (~1.75 hours) costing $0.30

How do you handle spot instances being shut down mid-build? Can you recover any built artifacts before the system goes down? IIRC you get a 2 minute warning.

Right now if a spot instance terminates mid-build it doesn't attempt to save any progress. I do have an open item to at least alert users that this has happened though (https://github.com/dan-v/rattlesnakeos-stack/issues/41). Although if Chromium is built it will checkpoint that by saving the built artifact to S3 and would then skip the Chromium build next time. I've found it's much cheaper to do full builds on AWS each time rather than trying to store the source tree for AOSP and Chromium as they are just so large.

Re: Modifications to Google Chromium for removing Google integration

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My preference for a well supported Chromium-based browser that's not Chrome would be to use one of the "Blink" based browsers: https://vivaldi.com https://brave.com https://www.opera.com Opera was purchased by a Chinese consortium, I'm not a fan of Brave's hijacking of ad spaces so my preference is currently vivaldi - which was founded by co-founder and former CEO of Opera and has been adding new innovative features…

I tried Vivaldi a while ago and, while I really liked it, it didn't justify not being open-source. I'm not one of the OSS elitists, but the browser, like the OS, is just one of those basic things that I want full control over.

Re: Modifications to Google Chromium for removing Google integration

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If you don't really care would the build take 2 hours or 2 days, using swap on SSD might solve the RAM problem.

I think you underestimate just how slow that'd be. My recollection is that the Android build tree is 30+GB and the build is extremely IO intensive.

There are cheap VPS with even NVMe storage nowadays. And to port it on VPS is not much different from porting it to 'any Linux box or VM' which might be local server or even a laptop (when you could just run it with nice settings in background).

Re: Modifications to Google Chromium for removing Google integration

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Sure, you can technically starve them of micro ad revenue if you want, but if you're not going to abide by Content creators implicit contract of having their content served with supporting ads then IMO it's best for all involved that you either subscribe for ad-free content directly from them or just stop consuming their content altogether. There are humans on the other side producing that content, they have as much…

> There are humans on the other side producing that content, they have as much right for being compensated for their efforts as we do. They have a right to ask for compensation, and a right to require it. They have no right to be compensated, if they choose to give away the content for free. That would be saying they have a right to force people to be generous. Whining about ad-blockers is simply being manipulative,…

> Whining about ad-blockers is simply being manipulative, it's trying to guilt-trip people into abandoning their self interest for free.

Your attestation usage of "manipulative" is attempting to manipulate in itself. Like I said everyone is technically free to do what they want, but it doesn't change the fact that starving content producers of micro ad revenue goes against their wishes which in most cases deprives them of their sole revenue source.

> The implicit social contract of the Web, the way HTTP protocol and Web browsers were designed, is precisely what allows for ad-blocking.

No the web is not a social contract, it's a combination of technologies. The social contract exists between Content Producers and Consumers and the Web is the platform to enable delivery of that content. The implicit social contract is for Content producers to create content consumers want which is consumed in the way they want their content served. A "blocker" by definition blocks supporting resources that producers wanted their content served with - which in most cases is their primary revenue source for producing that content.

> it's called a paywall. I pay, then I get content.

Great, then use it when that option is available, as a benefit you wont see ads and producers get compensated.

But I hope you're not naive enough to think that a paywall works for all content and all audiences? It's great when it does, content producers get a reliable and predictable source of revenue but there's a reason why ad-supported free content is used, it's not because it's easier, it's because it's viable.

Re: Modifications to Google Chromium for removing Google integration

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My preference for a well supported Chromium-based browser that's not Chrome would be to use one of the "Blink" based browsers: https://vivaldi.com https://brave.com https://www.opera.com Opera was purchased by a Chinese consortium, I'm not a fan of Brave's hijacking of ad spaces so my preference is currently vivaldi - which was founded by co-founder and former CEO of Opera and has been adding new innovative features…

Just to add my company's browser too, http://whale.naver.com/ Chromium-based, actively developed, and has Android+iOS browsers. You can use chrome extensions with it too.

Browser is such a security nightmare, how would one want to trust from a random vendor?

What is it's selling point?

Re: Modifications to Google Chromium for removing Google integration

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My preference for a well supported Chromium-based browser that's not Chrome would be to use one of the "Blink" based browsers: https://vivaldi.com https://brave.com https://www.opera.com Opera was purchased by a Chinese consortium, I'm not a fan of Brave's hijacking of ad spaces so my preference is currently vivaldi - which was founded by co-founder and former CEO of Opera and has been adding new innovative features…

I tried Vivaldi a while ago and, while I really liked it, it didn't justify not being open-source. I'm not one of the OSS elitists, but the browser, like the OS, is just one of those basic things that I want full control over.

While it's not OSS in the common sense, the source code is available. https://vivaldi.com/source/
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