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Uber Hit with Cap as New York City Takes Lead in Crackdown

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Re: Uber Hit with Cap as New York City Takes Lead in Crackdown

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It's regressive amongst those who drive, that's the point. By definition, that category is more oriented towards middle class, upper middle class; the poor don't pay the tax because they can't afford city driving in general.

That's not quite evidence, and my intuition would still be: the more one drives inside NYC city limits, the richer one is. And the more one uses car services that would also pay the tax, the wealthier one is. So: it's highly progressive when you consider all NYC residents, including those who don't drive. And it's maybe a little regressive between the wealthy and the very-wealthy, just on the general pattern that the…

> the more one drives inside NYC city limits, the richer one is.

Why would you say that? A rich person would not spend hours every day commuting though rush hour traffic, or spend most of their day inside their work vehicle. They would buy or rent a central home, possibly near the central office building where they work. City driving in itself makes for a very low quality of life and most rational people would minimize it, given the option.

So I would expect there's either no driving-income correlation, or it's inverse. So reducing congestion would make life easier for rich people, who don't care about the money and only care about the time - by pricing out people who are, by definition, poorer and can't afford to buy that convenience. You could say that the resulting post-tax distribution is progressive, the rich paying and driving more; but that's just a way of distorting the initial argument, that introducing a flat congestion tax is strongly recessive - to the point of completely pricing out poorer people.

Re: Uber Hit with Cap as New York City Takes Lead in Crackdown

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Alternative title: "NYC Taxi mafia strikes back, gives Uber 12 months to come up with a large enough bribe". Really, the life of nearly everyone (who's not a taxi driver, perhaps) improved a bit since Uber entered the city. Even the fabled subway in its theoretical best has been dysfunctional in Brooklyn since the takedown of streetcars a hundred years ago (see how all the tracks are running towards Manhattan and ver…

This post is full of schlock. I live in brooklyn and commute to manhattan via subway everyday. It's reliable and good.

>This post is full of schlock. I live in brooklyn and commute to manhattan via subway everyday. It's reliable and good.

Did you read the part where I said that most of the subway tracks in Brooklyn are going into Manhattan? Surprise, going to Manhattan is a breeze!

Now, have fun going from Kings Hwy to Bay Ridge (small challenge), or to Queens (ever tried getting to LGA by train? The Q line only started going to Astoria a few years ago!).

Re: Uber Hit with Cap as New York City Takes Lead in Crackdown

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>Really, the life of nearly everyone improved a bit since Uber entered the city. Except for bus riders and cyclists that deal with much more congestion. And transit riders that deal with services changes as a result of decreased transit ridership. Not to mention behavior like drivers randomly stopping in places that weren't designed for stopped cars.

>Except for bus riders [..] that deal with much more congestion. Seattle might have a word about that. Or two. The words that start with "bus" and end with "lane". >And cyclists that deal with much more congestion. Pretty please, really? >And transit riders that deal with services changes as a result of decreased transit ridership. Right, blame decreased ridership on Uber, instead of all the problems that make people…

Link 3 -- removing coats? I thought it was hot in NYC.

Re: Uber Hit with Cap as New York City Takes Lead in Crackdown

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If the problem they are trying to solve is "too many vehicles" then we need a congestion tax. They should certainly not be limiting vehicles that are more likely to take multiple people with a Pool option. If the problem they are trying to solve is "drivers aren't making enough" then they should impose a minimum wage on drivers or force an actual employee relationship. If the problem they are trying to solve is a bai…

I would love a congestion tax. I take a bike to work, but there's no good cross-town protected bike lanes, so I hit so a lot of damn vehicle traffic that severely slows down my commute. I frequently have to go slow to wend my way through narrow gaps of parked cars and cars stuck in traffic, and sometimes get stuck completely with double parking or construction.

Make more protected bike lanes so that vehicle congestion doesn't impact bike travel, and add a congestion tax on all vehicles so that people only drive into the busiest areas if it's really necessary, and will otherwise consider alternative forms of transportation. I don't just want a cap on rideshares; a privately owned vehicle takes up just as much space on the road as an Uber, so why only target the latter? And what's to say that if you target Ubers you won't just get a corresponding increase in private drivers to pick up the slack, with the end result being the same amount of congestion?

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>I don't need to be reminded of the standard, clean, regulated experience I have every time I jump into a yellow or green cab You and I have had vastly different experiences in cabs. The cabs are disgusting. I can't understand the driver and he takes the long way around to squeeze more money out of me.

You're absolutely 100% wrong if you argue Uber X has a higher average car quality than yellow cabs.

I understand and respect the fact that this may be your opinion colored by your own experiences, but as a long time New Yorker I have to admit I giggled a bit when I read your fairy tale statement re: yellow cabs.

Re: Uber Hit with Cap as New York City Takes Lead in Crackdown

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> Meanwhile, with Uber you just press a button and they take you to the airport, bags and all. Not necessarily. Ubers don't want to go to the airport for the same reason that cabs don't. I've had ride shares cancel on me once the driver's gotten close enough to see that the destination is an airport. Granted it doesn't happen as often as with cabs whose meter is conveniently not working once you mention the airport,…

"I've had ride shares cancel on me once the driver's gotten close enough to see that the destination is an airport." I'm not understanding this. If you're using the app correctly then the driver knows the destination before they even accept the ride. If you're setting an address near an airport in an attempt to be duplicitous I would be equally discouraged as a driver.

My understanding is that with Lyft, the driver does not see the destination until they've reached (or come close to) your location.

And yes, I'm using the app correctly -- not sure why you're jumping to some conclusion that I must be being duplicitous. There's no convenient "nearby" drop-off points near airports here anyway.

Re: Uber Hit with Cap as New York City Takes Lead in Crackdown

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What's wrong with a vast majority of the vehicles on the road not being owned by the people who use them for transportation? It seems that a large amount of people don't want to purchase and maintain a vehicle they might not always be using and instead pay on-demand like they do for many other services where someone specializes to reduce the cost for others?

Driving a car from A to B is less miles driven than someone driving from X to A to pick you up before driving to B to drop you off them Y to wait for next ride. Thus Uber increases congestion.

You'd need to allocate more parking spaces then. You can have more roads if you have less parking.

Also, having a car sit idle 95% of the time is not an efficient use of money. It's the same model as virtualization with servers (sharing unused capacity brings down the costs for everyone).

Also, there's the tremendous amount of time wasted and hassle to park, especially in big cities that have multi-story parking garages. Especially with their "compact" parking spots that even compact cars have trouble fitting into.

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> Meanwhile, with Uber you just press a button and they take you to the airport, bags and all. Not necessarily. Ubers don't want to go to the airport for the same reason that cabs don't. I've had ride shares cancel on me once the driver's gotten close enough to see that the destination is an airport. Granted it doesn't happen as often as with cabs whose meter is conveniently not working once you mention the airport,…

"I've had ride shares cancel on me once the driver's gotten close enough to see that the destination is an airport." I'm not understanding this. If you're using the app correctly then the driver knows the destination before they even accept the ride. If you're setting an address near an airport in an attempt to be duplicitous I would be equally discouraged as a driver.

Happens all. the. time.

I'm in NYC, and I use taxis 99% of the time because of this phenomenon: Uber/Lyft drivers rapidly accept your ride, then cancel (or slow-play the pickup, so that you cancel, to protect their driver rating) as soon as they see it's a place they don't want to go.

It's so bad here that I just won't deal with Lyft and Uber unless they're throwing serious discounts my way, and I have time to burn.

Re: Uber Hit with Cap as New York City Takes Lead in Crackdown

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"I've had ride shares cancel on me once the driver's gotten close enough to see that the destination is an airport." I'm not understanding this. If you're using the app correctly then the driver knows the destination before they even accept the ride. If you're setting an address near an airport in an attempt to be duplicitous I would be equally discouraged as a driver.

My understanding is that with Lyft, the driver does not see the destination until they've reached (or come close to) your location. And yes, I'm using the app correctly -- not sure why you're jumping to some conclusion that I must be being duplicitous. There's no convenient "nearby" drop-off points near airports here anyway.

I've never used Lyft so couldn't comment there. And you're jumping to a conclusion assuming I was jumping to a conclusion. I was just trying to make sense of how that could happen as you described.

Re: Uber Hit with Cap as New York City Takes Lead in Crackdown

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post #158

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"I've had ride shares cancel on me once the driver's gotten close enough to see that the destination is an airport." I'm not understanding this. If you're using the app correctly then the driver knows the destination before they even accept the ride. If you're setting an address near an airport in an attempt to be duplicitous I would be equally discouraged as a driver.

Happens all. the. time. I'm in NYC, and I use taxis 99% of the time because of this phenomenon: Uber/Lyft drivers rapidly accept your ride, then cancel (or slow-play the pickup, so that you cancel, to protect their driver rating) as soon as they see it's a place they don't want to go. It's so bad here that I just won't deal with Lyft and Uber unless they're throwing serious discounts my way, and I have time to burn.

Fair enough. I've been taking Ubers to JFK for years and have never had this happen - but I guess everyone has their own experiences.
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