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Asus replaced the touchpad on its new ZenBook Pro with a 5.5-inch touchscreen

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Re: Asus replaced the touchpad on its new ZenBook Pro with a 5.5-inch touchscreen

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I think this is a wonderful idea, given that touchscreen responsiveness and power optimization have been a focus of research over the last decade. At worst it's a touch pad, at best it's so much more. Of course a lot depends on how software developers will embrace it - and I hope Linux users get some love. (I wish Asus and reviewers will stay away from gimmicks like watching movies on it.) In any case, far better tha…

I'm actually surprised it hasn't been tried before. It sounds super cool but I wonder if it's still a bit of a gimmick (and you end up just using it in touch pad mode all the time). It still has the problem where you have to take your eyes off your screen in order to interact with it, so I imagine there'd be some effort involved in getting used to actually looking at the touch pad while you poke at it. That said, if…

Razer something similar about 5 years ago.[1] I personally really like the idea. Feels more functional than a bar and should be easily dropped into "dumb touchpad" functionality if the user wants to save battery life or just doesn't need it. Would be nice to see this migrate across the entire laptop pc segment.

[1]https://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-mac/laptops-portable-pc...

Re: Asus replaced the touchpad on its new ZenBook Pro with a 5.5-inch touchscreen

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I think this is a wonderful idea, given that touchscreen responsiveness and power optimization have been a focus of research over the last decade. At worst it's a touch pad, at best it's so much more. Of course a lot depends on how software developers will embrace it - and I hope Linux users get some love. (I wish Asus and reviewers will stay away from gimmicks like watching movies on it.) In any case, far better tha…

You're forgetting that a screen costs power. Besides, at best, your touchpad has little fingerprints, at worst it has a lot. With a normal touchpad this doesn't matter, but with a touchscreen (or touchpad-touchscreen) it suddenly does. Furthermore, it is a spot where your hands are, so in order to see it, you gotta move your hands. Both are not very useful features. If I want a tablet, I'll get one instead. Furthermo…

This is what happens when things are built to sell, not built to use.

Re: Asus replaced the touchpad on its new ZenBook Pro with a 5.5-inch touchscreen

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I think this is a wonderful idea, given that touchscreen responsiveness and power optimization have been a focus of research over the last decade. At worst it's a touch pad, at best it's so much more. Of course a lot depends on how software developers will embrace it - and I hope Linux users get some love. (I wish Asus and reviewers will stay away from gimmicks like watching movies on it.) In any case, far better tha…

I'm actually surprised it hasn't been tried before. It sounds super cool but I wonder if it's still a bit of a gimmick (and you end up just using it in touch pad mode all the time). It still has the problem where you have to take your eyes off your screen in order to interact with it, so I imagine there'd be some effort involved in getting used to actually looking at the touch pad while you poke at it. That said, if…

I would be shocked if Apple didn't prototype this while working on design for the Touch Bar.

Re: Asus replaced the touchpad on its new ZenBook Pro with a 5.5-inch touchscreen

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>Unlike Apple’s limited and unhelpful MacBook Pro Touch Bar… I’m not big fan of the touch bar either, but to state an opinion as fact is just bad journalism.

This[0] almost made me finally accept the idea of possibly having the TouchBar on my next laptop. [0]: http://vas3k.com/blog/touchbar/

I thoroughly enjoyed that article. It was a weird decision to not make the default state of the Touch Bar be a widget bin. They could even have launched yet another App Store for it.

Re: Asus replaced the touchpad on its new ZenBook Pro with a 5.5-inch touchscreen

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>Unlike Apple’s limited and unhelpful MacBook Pro Touch Bar… I’m not big fan of the touch bar either, but to state an opinion as fact is just bad journalism.

It's... a product review. Giving the author's opinion is the whole point. I mean, the subtitle of the thing is "Technically delightful, practically dubious", so it's not like you weren't clued in. Why did you wait until he bashed an Apple product to complain?

Re: Asus replaced the touchpad on its new ZenBook Pro with a 5.5-inch touchscreen

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>Unlike Apple’s limited and unhelpful MacBook Pro Touch Bar… I’m not big fan of the touch bar either, but to state an opinion as fact is just bad journalism.

Plenty of publications have always straddled the line between reporting and reviewing. The Verge in particular gives its writers a lot of freedom to editorialize, for better or for worse.

It's. A. Product. Review.

Do people not read these anymore or know what they are?

Re: Asus replaced the touchpad on its new ZenBook Pro with a 5.5-inch touchscreen

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I think this is a wonderful idea, given that touchscreen responsiveness and power optimization have been a focus of research over the last decade. At worst it's a touch pad, at best it's so much more. Of course a lot depends on how software developers will embrace it - and I hope Linux users get some love. (I wish Asus and reviewers will stay away from gimmicks like watching movies on it.) In any case, far better tha…

You're forgetting that a screen costs power. Besides, at best, your touchpad has little fingerprints, at worst it has a lot. With a normal touchpad this doesn't matter, but with a touchscreen (or touchpad-touchscreen) it suddenly does. Furthermore, it is a spot where your hands are, so in order to see it, you gotta move your hands. Both are not very useful features. If I want a tablet, I'll get one instead. Furthermo…

The impact on battery life is marginal. The ZenBook Pro 15 has a 71Wh battery and "up to" nine hours of battery life. An iPhone 8 has a 10.5Wh battery.

Real-world power consumption for a good smartphone display is ~500mW. That represents just under 5% of the iPhone 8's battery capacity per hour, but 0.7% of the ZenBook's battery.

In the worst-case scenario, the touchpad display will reduce battery life from 9 hours to 8.5 hours. In a more realistic scenario, the power consumption of the touchpad display is a rounding error compared to the consumption of the i9-8950HK processor, the GTX 1050 GPU and the 4K main display.

Somehow, people cope with their smartphone being covered in fingerprints.

Re: Asus replaced the touchpad on its new ZenBook Pro with a 5.5-inch touchscreen

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Dave 2D had a great video review on this product. What makes this totally different from the touch bar is with the touch bar, you have to wait for developers to add support in their products (or as a dev, write your own tooling). Apple has the muscle to simply make everyone support their crappy bar. The ZenBook screen is usable right away by anybody. You can just drag any window there. It can be your Steam chat while…

> I wonder if it will work on Linux.

If it's on one of the built-in Intel graphics outputs, then it will likely work out of the box (though of course none of the desktops will understand where it's supposed to be and probably put it in the wrong place, etc...).

If it's some crazy piece of hardware Asus found, then maybe never.

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You're forgetting that a screen costs power. Besides, at best, your touchpad has little fingerprints, at worst it has a lot. With a normal touchpad this doesn't matter, but with a touchscreen (or touchpad-touchscreen) it suddenly does. Furthermore, it is a spot where your hands are, so in order to see it, you gotta move your hands. Both are not very useful features. If I want a tablet, I'll get one instead. Furthermo…

The impact on battery life is marginal. The ZenBook Pro 15 has a 71Wh battery and "up to" nine hours of battery life. An iPhone 8 has a 10.5Wh battery. Real-world power consumption for a good smartphone display is ~500mW. That represents just under 5% of the iPhone 8's battery capacity per hour, but 0.7% of the ZenBook's battery. In the worst-case scenario, the touchpad display will reduce battery life from 9 hours t…

The point is that its on top of the thing it replaced (keyboard). It doesn't matter much if its 10 minutes or 30 minutes, its an unnecessary waste in both situations.

> Somehow, people cope with their smartphone being covered in fingerprints.

I don't, but if I mostly type and scroll on the bottom, the fingerprints are mostly on the keyboard part. So I tend to read the top and maybe mid of my screen and then scroll further.

I actually preferred the time with hardware keyboards for example because screen stayed pristine back then, and phones were much more durable. Alas, those phones are exceptions, and if you also have other special interests such as long-term support, high uptime on one juice load, or the liberty to e.g. run SailfishOS your options quickly diminish. So my smartphone does not have a hardware keyboard, but that does not mean I don't prefer that. Choosing a smartphone is a matter of concessions. Choosing a MBP, idem.

Finally, given how often people are replacing their smartphones, I'm not exactly sure if "people cope with their smartphone" in general.

Re: Asus replaced the touchpad on its new ZenBook Pro with a 5.5-inch touchscreen

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Dave 2D had a great video review on this product. What makes this totally different from the touch bar is with the touch bar, you have to wait for developers to add support in their products (or as a dev, write your own tooling). Apple has the muscle to simply make everyone support their crappy bar. The ZenBook screen is usable right away by anybody. You can just drag any window there. It can be your Steam chat while…

> The ZenBook screen is usable right away by anybody. You can just drag any window there. It can be your Steam chat while playing a game, it can be a browser with a Twitch stream or soccer game running in the background while your program, it can be your color pallet for Resolve while editing video ...

Do you mean that I can have a laptop with an integrated secondary display to have a Zabbix monitoring panel on it?

This might be the sysadmins' favorite laptop!

What a time to be alive!

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