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Vermont will cover $10K of expenses for people who move there and work remotely

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Re: Vermont will cover $10K of expenses for people who move there and work remotely

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I've been waiting to see programs like this pop up for a while. Remote workers are an economic dream for whatever region they end up in. They bring in large amounts of money from outside the area, spend it locally, pay local taxes, leave local jobs available for other residents, and generally put less strain on the local infrastructure since they're not commuting.

It's basically a win from every angle, and I'm surprised more cities and states don't already have programs like this one.

Re: Vermont will cover $10K of expenses for people who move there and work remotely

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With skiing in the east an industry in rough shape since it doesn't snow anymore, and agriculture in a slow death spiral, Vermont is trying to embrace it's potential as a bedroom community for NYC and Boston. Burlington is a cool little city and the countryside is beautiful as well. If they can use a small program like this to stimulate some cadre of "pioneers", they'll get alot of value, and perhaps some improved ou…

>"With skiing in the east an industry in rough shape since it doesn't snow anymore, and agriculture in a slow death spiral,..." Can you elaborate on the slow death spiral of agriculture part? Are you talking about the effects of globalization factory farms or something else specific to Vermont/Northesat?

Sure.

Dairy is dying for various reasons, and supplemental sources of income like Maple sugaring are impacted by climate change.

Vegetable businesses are tough as well as plots are small and you cannot compete with massive agribusinesses in California and South America.

Re: Vermont will cover $10K of expenses for people who move there and work remotely

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On top of the taxes, housing is pretty bad too. You can be a reclusive hermit in southern / central VT on the cheap, but the closer you get to Burlington / Essex Jct the more expensive it gets. This is in part caused by the size of the University of Vermont - high demand for housing, small area. Many buildings have too many units crammed into them for the same reason. Not nearly as bad as the valley, but another reas…

I’m currently looking for a 3 bedroom apartment or a house to rent in Santa Barbara, and see nothing below $3K/mo. In fact anything decent is $3.5k or more. I work remotely, now looking for a cheaper place to live. What’s life like in Vermont?

I love living in Vermont. People are friendly, nature is preserved, the mountains are gorgeous, and there are an abundance of small communities/groups you can join based on your interests (produce co-op, hiking, fishing, skiing, meditation, 3D printing, etc). The music scene is colorful and varied if you are into that. In general, things move slower and people are kinder (I come from Boston). Great place to lead a nice quiet introverted life among the trees or immerse yourself in local activities.

As for rent, a nice 3BR goes for around 2-3k/mo in Burlington and gets substantially cheaper the farther south you look. It's not the cheapest nor most expensive state to live in, but the price:quality of life ratio is excellent.

Re: Vermont will cover $10K of expenses for people who move there and work remotely

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I can't resist. We are here with tech jobs waiting. http://www.greenriver.com/jobs Edit: On the article: COL is similar to Boston in Brattleboro (for the nice lifestyle that we expect as devs) but in different areas. You need a car for any real transportation and while rents and house prices are less other things are more (internet, heat, etc). There are 3-4 cafes not hundreds. There is a surprising amount of art and…

I was fortunate enough to pass through Brattleboro once and I have to agree, it is a beautiful charming little town. I would love to go back sometime.

Re: Vermont will cover $10K of expenses for people who move there and work remotely

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With skiing in the east an industry in rough shape since it doesn't snow anymore, and agriculture in a slow death spiral, Vermont is trying to embrace it's potential as a bedroom community for NYC and Boston. Burlington is a cool little city and the countryside is beautiful as well. If they can use a small program like this to stimulate some cadre of "pioneers", they'll get alot of value, and perhaps some improved ou…

Stowe has co-working spaces. Hudson County NJ doesn't have those (not really). Crazy.

Hoboken has a couple. I used to live in Edgewater (not Hudson County, though), they opened one right as I moved to upstate NY.

Re: Vermont will cover $10K of expenses for people who move there and work remotely

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I can guarantee you that states that did would be hammered by anti-tax people thinking that they were overtaxed.

To be honest, most "anti-tax" people are fine with the theory, but don't trust that it will be well managed and, more importantly, preserved for lean times. Too often surpluses are immediately funneled to special projects that we could have been better off without. The "pro-tax" people in my area are also generally against this sort of thing, because they want nothing more than to take more money and spend it on spec…

Most anti tax people are just anti taxes on _me_

Re: Vermont will cover $10K of expenses for people who move there and work remotely

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With skiing in the east an industry in rough shape since it doesn't snow anymore, and agriculture in a slow death spiral, Vermont is trying to embrace it's potential as a bedroom community for NYC and Boston. Burlington is a cool little city and the countryside is beautiful as well. If they can use a small program like this to stimulate some cadre of "pioneers", they'll get alot of value, and perhaps some improved ou…

I hadn't heard that there has been a decline in snowfall, it's pretty stark in the Pacific West: https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/climate-change-indica...

By that data Vermont has slightly increased rates of snowfall over the last 70 years. This paper also references studies that predict Vermont will see an increase of snow over the next few decades as well: https://www.northeastern.edu/climatereview/?p=282

Re: Vermont will cover $10K of expenses for people who move there and work remotely

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I moved to Vermont to work remotely in DC without the $10K incentive. That was some 12 years ago. My quality of life and that of my family is vastly improved. I wouldn't have moved to New Hampshire, though I can see it from where I'm standing in Vermont. The point isn't to get everyone to move, but to motivate some people who otherwise like what Vermont has to offer but are on the edge. If you are more on the Europea…

Where did you move from, and how has your life improved?

From DC. DC has its advantages: free museums, good mass transit by US standards, lots of federal money being spent locally, a diverse ethnic mix with accompanying cultural and culinary diversity. The cost of real estate is astronomical, though. The schools generally suck unless you can swing something plush like Sidwell Friends.

I've lived in other places as well, always moving for school, employment, or, when I was younger, someone else's school or employment. I found that I could telecommute, though, and so we moved to a place we wanted to be for its own sake.

The things I like about Vermont: the climate, the culture, the natural and built environment. And frankly I like living in a place where I don't have to apologize for the cruel, exploitative history or the short-sighted or selfish political decisions of the populace. It's beautiful. There's a lot of art. My kids' school has great teachers, great facilities, and a lot of options. I have family who moved to the area, so that helps. The food is good. I walk into town to work. I can walk out my back door with my kids and hike to the top of a hill and have a beautiful view. I can take the bus home in the evening if the weather is bad. (I don't telecommute anymore, though I can work from home when I please.) We were living in a basement in DC. Now we have a house beside a brook.

Re: Vermont will cover $10K of expenses for people who move there and work remotely

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I've lived in Burlington, VT for the last two years, having moved from a large city. The brain drain is real. I am leaving the state soon because I simply cannot relate to people and culture up here. (Note, this is for people who are 35 year olds up here with families who I never met). There's an inverse bell curve of age distribution. I've discovered slightly above average intelligent people up here think they are m…

Just curious, what do you mean by “intelligent” here? What kinds of people is Vermont losing exactly?

Without writing a novel and acknowledging the difficulty it is to measure intelligence...

People who: /what VT is missing is:

- Can process what one is saying in real time and propose alternative view points or point out flaws in one's logic in seconds.

- Are capable of thinking outside of the box. Some puzzle pieces will never be found because they need to be created first.

- Have drive and ambition to do things other than watch TV/go to the beach/get high or drink after work.

- Interest in furthering their education/knowledge/life goals. Complacency is very common.

- People who are unafraid of their viewpoints being challenged/analyzed; unafraid to rationalize their beliefs.

- Self awareness/presence.

In saying all of this, I do not look down on people for their life choices. They just live a simpler life than I can be comfortable with.

Re: Vermont will cover $10K of expenses for people who move there and work remotely

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For many, this won't even begin to offset the increase in income and property taxes from this notoriously high-tax state. Individual or business, you're likely to pay more. http://money.cnn.com/gallery/smallbusiness/2012/10/15/state-... >>The income tax has a top rate of 8.95%. This ranks as the sixth-highest in the U.S., although it only applies to taxpayers making over $413,350 per year. Meanwhile, total state and…

Not to mention, moving all the stuff in my house in 2015 cost a little over $30K. $10K is a nice gesture, but it wouldn't cover a whole household... 1-2 bedroom apartment maybe. That said, it's a beautiful state and if you want to work remotely and do a lot of skiing/hiking/etc then it could be a nice offset.
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