Does the GDPR allow sites to have a “pay real money or subsidize your experience through tracking” option?
Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it
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Re: Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it
#152Earlier quoted context omitted.
Of course not, because Apple, Google, Facebook et al have the resources to spend millions on attorneys to implement the GDPR. My comment comes from the perspective of an operator of several small sites that get a total of a few million visitors per month combined. I'm not spending millions on attorneys, and EU traffic is only incidental to my sites anyway, so I am indeed taking my ball and going home. This will make…
Are you hosted in Europe, and/or do you do business from the EU? No? Don't bother instituting a stupid ban like that, then. And stop scaremongering. GDPR applies to businesses . Besides, compliance isn't too bad for something like a forum. Just purge the relevant user records and posts, if requested to or when a user deletes their account. Source: I am doing GDPR compliance on web applications for a major telco.
GDPR applies to businesses.
I have a business. And yes, I have spoken to GSPR compliance people, so GDPR has already cost me enough money. Compliance is a murky proposition at best, since this law can be interpreted in different ways in 28 different countries - all of whom will be looking for ways to maximize the fines they collect under it from foreign companies.
Since you are in the GDPR compliance space, surely you know that it does apply not just to businesses that are hosted in the EU or do business there. Rather, anyone that knowingly accepts traffic/data from the EU is vulnerable to it.
Re: Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it
#153The screens will not give Facebook users the option to hit "decline." Instead, they will guide users to either "accept and continue" or "manage data setting." Also known as "Hobson's Choice": a free choice in which only one thing is offered. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobson%27s_choice Naturally the vast majority will just click through and accept the defaults. But what if a small number does not? Could Facebook s…
I think they're already losing their influence. As people mentioned already, many people have their accounts but simply don't use them anymore. I only use it for keeping in touch with some friends via Messenger these days, and where possible I try to just use WhatsApp/Telegram for that anyway. Some of the most active people I see on my news feed are actually my relatives in their 40s-50s+ or early teens. I guess thes…
But this is not the point. Once you have an account, you create a bucket, a magnet, and an entry in their database.
You exist.
They don't need you to participate. They need your email or your phone number that can link you to the rest of the matrix. With a mobile app, they get your phone number automatically.
Everything else you post is icing on the cake. They don't need your relationship status. They don't need your address. Maybe your phone number will link to one, but they don't need it to be accurate.
Now you're part of the data pool. You're one more audience member. You're fueling facebook and their profits.
You're being sold.
Not only that, non-participation grants a false sense of security. As does the data they ask for; as if the data you post is all that they know or that is being shared. As do all their privacy settings. As does deleting your account. Facebook might mark you as deleted, but your data has already been used, sold, and transferred to 3rd parties, none of whom are inclined to delete your data.
If the data hasn't changed, and you haven't changed, then deleting yourself from facebook doesn't change anything.
Re: Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it
#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
>there are provisions within the GDPR for it not to apply in those cases where you are not intentionally obtaining data from EU citizens. I read the entire document a few weeks back and recall no such provisions. Could you cite one for me? I'm trying to be as informed on this as possible. Article 3, "Territorial scope", lays out where GDPR applies, and it contains no derogations for "but I didn't know they were europ…
It's a massive document so I'm not going to go through and find it, but here's an interpretation of what I'm talking about [1]: "The reach of GDPR is broad but is not unlimited. The mere fact that a U.S.-based website can be accessed in the EEA isn’t enough. If the company does not have a physical presence in the EEA, it must be determined whether that company engages in more than incidental contact with EEA resident…
Given that there is an entire continent whose people speak mostly Spanish (and with the remaining Portuguese speakers vastly outnumbering the ones in Portugal, too), I don't believe that providing a service in Spanish will go far as evidence that you're targeting EU citizens specifically.
Re: Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it
#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you hosted in Europe, and/or do you do business from the EU? No? Don't bother instituting a stupid ban like that, then. And stop scaremongering. GDPR applies to businesses . Besides, compliance isn't too bad for something like a forum. Just purge the relevant user records and posts, if requested to or when a user deletes their account. Source: I am doing GDPR compliance on web applications for a major telco.
GDPR applies to businesses. I have a business. And yes, I have spoken to GSPR compliance people, so GDPR has already cost me enough money. Compliance is a murky proposition at best, since this law can be interpreted in different ways in 28 different countries - all of whom will be looking for ways to maximize the fines they collect under it from foreign companies. Since you are in the GDPR compliance space, surely yo…
And that's a good thing. Privacy is a basic human right, and it's about time we got some regulation of this area.
Re: Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it
#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
I suspect "genuine" and "free" are terms of art . Not to mention "detriment". Reading it with common sense in mind may not be productive.
While this is certainly possible, I would have to see a (legal dictionary?) to change my mind. Any links?
The words are probably defined within the document, not in the legal dictionary.
Re: Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it
#157Where is the "go fuck yourself mark zuckerberg" option
Re: Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it
#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes - more active. You are suffering from confirmation bias at this point. What data apart, apart from your anecdotal experience, do you have which shows that sharing and caring about FB post is down?
What data, apart from your anecdotal data, shows that sharing and caring about FB post is up?
FB earnings are up and their monthly active users are rising. That suggests that your single anecdotal experience of your friends not using fb is incorrect.
Also, OP was the first one to make the assertion that fb is losing users and thus the onus falls on him to prove vs. me trying to disprove it.
I know it is not the answer you want to hear but FB is doing well in terms of their user growth. Get over it.
Re: Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it
#159Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes - more active. You are suffering from confirmation bias at this point. What data apart, apart from your anecdotal experience, do you have which shows that sharing and caring about FB post is down?
You seem great at diagnosing why what we're saying doesn't make sense, but you don't have anything to back whatever your point is. Since we don't have access to Facebook logs and can't know how many times people sign in and to what percentage are bots wandering around the site, we can only talk about our impressions.
They have public data which clearly states that their monthly active users and earnings are trending positively.
Re: Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it
#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think they're already losing their influence. As people mentioned already, many people have their accounts but simply don't use them anymore. I only use it for keeping in touch with some friends via Messenger these days, and where possible I try to just use WhatsApp/Telegram for that anyway. Some of the most active people I see on my news feed are actually my relatives in their 40s-50s+ or early teens. I guess thes…
But this is not the point. Once you have an account, you create a bucket, a magnet, and an entry in their database. You exist. They don't need you to participate. They need your email or your phone number that can link you to the rest of the matrix. With a mobile app, they get your phone number automatically. Everything else you post is icing on the cake. They don't need your relationship status. They don't need your…
Except Facebook itself is a major ad delivery vector. Not actually going on FB means fewer ad impressions.