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Re: Why are diapers so expensive?

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Post by bkovacev » Thu, Apr 05, 2018, 7:11 AM UTC

s4vi0r wrote: post #136

bkovacev wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your comment is completely contradictory. You say the OP's comment reeks of privilege/ignorance, but you go ahead and expect government privilege in $CURRENY_YEAR. The OP was commenting that certain people leech and do not want to find a job and help themselves, but rather want more help from the government. I grew up with cloth diapers not because my family was poor, but just simply because it was a better choice fo…

You don't even understand what privilege means, my dude. I expect my government to serve myself and the people, and not a handful of old dudes at the top of the food chain. If you think a government serving its people is a privilege, I think you have a very poor idea of what democracy is (or should be). >...certain people leech, do not want to find a job... This is privilege and propaganda at work right here. Being s…

First of, you're not the crazy one here. We are just simply discussing things - I apologize if you felt like I thought you were crazy, because that's a tough word. Whether we disagree - sure :)

OT: To my eyes - there is a big difference in a sign "WILL WORK FOR FOOD/MONEY/ETC" and "PLEASE GIVE ME 100$ I NEED IT". Should the USA be like Mother Theresa, lend their helping hand to everyone in need?

I can tell you for a fact that there are tons of people who live on social aid, that are eligible to work, maybe even have degrees and just simply don't want to work. The whole point is, the more you help the more will the people get used to it and will start leeching - it's in the human nature.

I think enjoying bodily pleasures is great - but having a baby is something you need to ensure you can handle. If you can't raise a child right, don't raise it. I have seen people have 5 children - only so that the mother can live off of welfare.

You can give your wealth away - that's what I'm doing, but I'm not expecting my government to provide diapers, I buy them for the people in need. I expect my government to provide health care and jobs, the people will take care of the rest.

I don't mind USA helping people in a real need, but people who are just reckless should not be helped, because they knew what a child brings.

This is privilege and propaganda at work right here. Being so far removed from what its like to be poor that you unironically believe some bullshit like "poor people just want government bux for free".

Privilege is that I'm saying that people get used to government help and dont want to work? That's not privilege, that's called common sense. No point in discussing this further.

You don't even understand what privilege means, my dude. I expect my government to serve myself and the people, and not a handful of old dudes at the top of the food chain. If you think a government serving its people is a privilege, I think you have a very poor idea of what democracy is (or should be).

Oh - but government creating jobs and providing health care is serving old dudes? If what you're saying continues, you will end up with a world full of people that have no ability to resonate, work or be challenged.

Re: Why are diapers so expensive?

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Post by mirimir » Thu, Apr 05, 2018, 7:12 AM UTC

freeflight wrote: post #116

mirimir wrote: post #94

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Yes, it's a cheap shot to just dismiss it all as religious and idiotic. Except in self-defense or war, societies generally aren't OK with killing people. But when do fetuses become people? Some cultures were OK with parents (or at least, fathers) killing children younger than eight years. Many have gone with birth as the cutoff. There is an argument that conception is the cutoff. But on the other hand, the relationsh…

> So anyway, it's not just about religion. But religion played and still plays a large role in forming these discussions because of its supposedly unique position as a "moral compass" for many cultures over the course of history. Imho this is especially evident if you take a look cloning and stem-cell research in general. While most of the West is still busy trying to figure out how to make it compatible with Christi…

Yes, many religions undeniably provide standard answers for such ethical questions. But that doesn't make them religious questions.

Re: Why are diapers so expensive?

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Post by c22 » Thu, Apr 05, 2018, 7:12 AM UTC

ILikeConemowk wrote: post #69

chrissnell wrote: post #54

This article is so frustrating. The helplessness and dependence are just sad. Cloth diapers cost less than $1.50 each in a 10-pack. If you are poor enough, you can wash them in a bucket with bar soap. That's what virtually everyone did before washers were invented. I'm saddened that this girl didn't figure this out. I know first-hand, when you're poor and desperate, you figure shit out. Unless, of course, you have a…

>I don't blame this woman. I'm not pissed at her. Although this is kind of you and your position is likely rooted in empathy and compassion, I think this is also wrong. At which point do we make the cut and let a person take responsibility for their lives? It's a chicken and egg problem, sure. But, who cares? I'm not saying that life isn't hard or that there aren't people who, by pure misfortune, had to endure situat…

Politicians are in the same trap as the rest of us.

Re: Why are diapers so expensive?

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Post by c22 » Thu, Apr 05, 2018, 7:15 AM UTC

bkovacev wrote: post #124

watwut wrote: post #73

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One my friend actually counted the total price of both and it came out as quite the same all counted in (water, "soap", etc). But also, it is not all hygienic enough to wash them in bucket with soap. Back when my mother had kids, they had to went through boiling water and were ironed. You basically spent whole day dealing with diapers. Literally whole day, it is ridiculous amount of work. Also, cloth diapers cause mo…

But she has no job in the first place or possibility to find one now with the baby - so why would that prevent her from washing/ironing?

I like this notion that a new baby isn't a 16+ hour a day exhausting job in itself.

Re: Why are diapers so expensive?

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Post by nbdev » Thu, Apr 05, 2018, 7:18 AM UTC

s4vi0r wrote: post #82

chrissnell wrote: post #54

This article is so frustrating. The helplessness and dependence are just sad. Cloth diapers cost less than $1.50 each in a 10-pack. If you are poor enough, you can wash them in a bucket with bar soap. That's what virtually everyone did before washers were invented. I'm saddened that this girl didn't figure this out. I know first-hand, when you're poor and desperate, you figure shit out. Unless, of course, you have a…

Jesus, your comment and the other replies just straight up reek of privilege/ignorance. What you're suggesting is obviously the pragmatic choice - obviously, if she's poor as shit and can't afford regular diapers, using reusable cloth ones is a great solution. But that's not the fucking point of the article - its $CURRENT_YEAR in the richest country in the world, this absolutely shouldn't be a thing that happens in t…

You're the one who sounds privileged. OP sounds like they know what it's like to live within their means, and grow up with a strong character. You just want to make entitled leeches.

Re: Why are diapers so expensive?

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Post by tallanvor » Thu, Apr 05, 2018, 7:19 AM UTC

chrissnell wrote: post #54

This article is so frustrating. The helplessness and dependence are just sad. Cloth diapers cost less than $1.50 each in a 10-pack. If you are poor enough, you can wash them in a bucket with bar soap. That's what virtually everyone did before washers were invented. I'm saddened that this girl didn't figure this out. I know first-hand, when you're poor and desperate, you figure shit out. Unless, of course, you have a…

"I want to help them, but the answer isn't more subsidies. I want to see her get that better job, even if it means losing the assistance. I want to see Dad stay in the home because that's so critical for developing emotional control in young adults. I want their son to grow up scrappy and industrious, with a good sense of how to get by even things are tough because tough times happen for everyone."

In other words, you want to help the person in a way that doesn't require you to pay anything or spend any of your time.

Re: Why are diapers so expensive?

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Post by rokhayakebe » Thu, Apr 05, 2018, 7:19 AM UTC

s4vi0r wrote: post #136

bkovacev wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your comment is completely contradictory. You say the OP's comment reeks of privilege/ignorance, but you go ahead and expect government privilege in $CURRENY_YEAR. The OP was commenting that certain people leech and do not want to find a job and help themselves, but rather want more help from the government. I grew up with cloth diapers not because my family was poor, but just simply because it was a better choice fo…

You don't even understand what privilege means, my dude. I expect my government to serve myself and the people, and not a handful of old dudes at the top of the food chain. If you think a government serving its people is a privilege, I think you have a very poor idea of what democracy is (or should be). >...certain people leech, do not want to find a job... This is privilege and propaganda at work right here. Being s…

Not to throw you flowers, but I frankly wish more people reasoned like this. Well said.

Re: Why are diapers so expensive?

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Post by briandear » Thu, Apr 05, 2018, 7:21 AM UTC

lulmerchant wrote: post #83

FuckOffNeemo wrote: post #64

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Using a legal loan shark to purchase nappies, we're now robbing Peter to pay Paul, the net gain once the legal loan sharks fees are rolled in would be pittance. How far did society have to fail for us to have to encourage the use of loan sharks so our children can take a shit, seriously? Edit: in an attempt to lighten the conversation which has suddenly became a class dividing conversation on economics and privilege.…

I don't know if the numbers in the comment you're referring to are correct, but let's assume they're close enough and do the math. If I pay $5 every other day for 10 diapers, then I'm paying ~$75/month for 150 diapers. $0.50/diaper, $2.50/day. If I take a pay day loan of $30 for a 200 pack of diapers, then I've just brought a 40 day supply of diapers. $0.15/diaper, $0.75/day. After 16 days I've recouped my original i…

If you had the intelligence to do that calculation, you would have the intelligence to not be in such a desperate situation in the first place.

Re: Why are diapers so expensive?

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Post by columb » Thu, Apr 05, 2018, 7:21 AM UTC

In UK nappies are ultra cheap. My Wife uses Lidl's nappies but Aldi's are equally good (if not the same!). They cost around 5-7 pence each. Can't really exactly remember because they are so cheap. Pampers are more expensive but by much.

Re: Why are diapers so expensive?

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Post by bkovacev » Thu, Apr 05, 2018, 7:22 AM UTC

c22 wrote: post #154

bkovacev wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But she has no job in the first place or possibility to find one now with the baby - so why would that prevent her from washing/ironing?

I like this notion that a new baby isn't a 16+ hour a day exhausting job in itself.

I apologize if it sounded like that - a baby is definitely 16+ hours of work a day if not more, that's why I said that no other job is possible, but I was saying that maybe the person can squeeze in a couple of hours to wash the diapers while the baby is asleep.