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Poor Grades Tied to Class Times That Don’t Match Our Biological Clocks

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Re: Poor Grades Tied to Class Times That Don’t Match Our Biological Clocks

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Sorry, not from the US. What does PE mean?

Physical education. In India, in our schools it mostly meant playing Soccer.

The irony of defining a regional term in the context of other regional terms.

Re: Poor Grades Tied to Class Times That Don’t Match Our Biological Clocks

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One person's issue with work is worth compromising the learning of all the other children? That's not exactly what I'd call fair.

Not everyone is a programmer in the Valley or East Coast that can just Slack their manager "will be an hour late today because X!" and everything is fine. For the vast majority of people, even white collar employees, not being at work at 9 a few times may mean termination.

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Re: Poor Grades Tied to Class Times That Don’t Match Our Biological Clocks

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What was so traumatizing about the showers available to you in high school? Because I certainly remember first period gym, and I just took a shower afterwards. Then I was right as rain.

It’s an awkward time for many kids. Personally, I dreaded the experience.

Here's a secret: we all did.

But ask yourself this. Think back in time to those dreadful experiences and remember the people who didn't _appear_ to dread the experience.

Those people dreaded walking naked amongst their 14 year old peers as well, they just did a better job at convincing you that they dreaded it less than you.

You could even say that those were the victors who wrote your history.

Re: Poor Grades Tied to Class Times That Don’t Match Our Biological Clocks

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> night owls were especially vulnerable, many appearing so chronically jet-lagged that they were unable to perform optimally at any time of day. I experienced this with an 8am biology class I was required to take. It wrecked my whole day. About 1/3 of the way through I just started skipping the class and then later getting notes of the lecture from a friend of mine. It ended up working dramatically well. I got an A,…

My worst semester at University I had three 8am lectures... I knew I was a bit of a night owl, but at this point I didn't realise that I actually had a severe sleep disorder. I had just assumed that what people said (you just have to be disciplined, just go to be earlier, etc.) was potentially true, which was demoralising. It was actually pretty liberating to find out about differences in circadian rhythms. I still g…

College was rough for me, I felt best sleeping on a 3am to noon schedule and half of my required classes could only be scheduled before noon. I managed to get through it but still felt like I was unable to learn as effectively as I could have. I also recall being a zombie in high school because I was forced to wake up at 6 every day and could not fall asleep until midnight, and at the time my body required much more sleep than I was getting...

From age 12 to 23 I thought something was wrong with me as a human because I was tired, depressed,and anxious but I've learned that when I sleep well those symptoms disappear. Life has been much better since I gained more control over my schedule.

Re: Poor Grades Tied to Class Times That Don’t Match Our Biological Clocks

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I used to have lots of problems getting up early and always championed later times. Growing up through my twenties, it was great seeing finally seeing more and more evidence for a later school start and I was hopeful for future teens. But it wasn't until my first kid that I finally understood that school doesn't start this early because it's good for the learning experience. It starts this early so parents can get th…

Schools can still help with this by trying to schedule the core academic stuff later in the the day and the less mentally intense stuff like PE earlier in the morning. My kids' elementary school actually does this. They tell parents "if your child has a doctor's appointment or needs to be out for a portion of the day, schedule it at the beginning or end of the day to make sure they don't miss anything important."

if kid's played dodgeball every morning, then they would be excited to come to school

Re: Poor Grades Tied to Class Times That Don’t Match Our Biological Clocks

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I wonder how they schedule that. Does that mean that all PE classes (assuming PE is part of the "unimportant" category) are either at the beginning or the end of the day? What does the PE teacher do in the middle of the day, then?

Teach health? Sex Ed? Preparation and setup? My PE teachers in JHS and HS were more than just PE teachers. Was my school just an outlier?

It depends on the school and the state.

I went to a small district where they shared roles. My wife went to a huge school where the PE teachers taught only PE and were paid coached as well.

In some districts, you need certification in a subject... a gym teacher can’t teach math.

Re: Poor Grades Tied to Class Times That Don’t Match Our Biological Clocks

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It’s an awkward time for many kids. Personally, I dreaded the experience.

Here's a secret: we all did. But ask yourself this. Think back in time to those dreadful experiences and remember the people who didn't _appear_ to dread the experience. Those people dreaded walking naked amongst their 14 year old peers as well, they just did a better job at convincing you that they dreaded it less than you. You could even say that those were the victors who wrote your history.

Um, no. Other than some awkward jokes on the first few occasions, it was fine. Possibly this is because the school I went to was pretty new and didn't have any kind of established social hierarchy or bullying culture - it existed, but more as personal animosity.

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I'd imagine that there were groups of humans who did this, but they got out-competed by humans who gave a higher priority to work.

Outcompeted in what sense? Making money? I mean, I guess if you argue that the people who did it will on average have more political influence due to having more money then it's plausible, but there's an even more plausible argument: People in charge of major organisations don't like worker flexibility because it's logistically difficult, and "more work-oriented == better productivity" is the most intuitive meme ever…

Political and social influence, including the ability to "influence" other societies by bombing them, is the reason for wealth.
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