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Re: Facebook pauses app reviews, disables new user authorizations

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The so-called "data breach" was always in reality a by-product of an open platform that hundreds of thousands of developers could easily build apps on top. You may err on the side of "more reviews" or "less powerful API", but in the end, those ideals are in tension. The more open the platform, the more open to this kind of "breach". People who believe in the idea in this kind of platform having an API should have lon…

Apple got this right from the beginning despite years of criticism about the "walled garden". They took arrows for years: all the "open always wins" from the FOSS types, all the press coverage of some app developer crying about App Store rejections or onerous rules. They didn't get it wrong because they know who butters their bread: customers. Developers are rightly prioritized last. Fun to give this Paul Graham essa…

This is completely misleading.

1 - I've yet to learn about a major open source project stealing data from its users.

2 - Open source guaranty the users have the right and access to check how it's data can be used. Apple's products do not. Actually, we discovered they were part of the PRIMS program, which means basically they gave ALL your data away already while actively lying about it (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants...).

3 - FOSS people like interoperability and choice, which is one of the major problems they blame Apple not to take care of. This has ZERO relationship with privacy.

So on one hand you have privacy savvy communities, giving their free time and work so that everybody can use it to built a better word an understand transparently what's going on.

On the other hand you have a multi-billion dollar black box giving away user data, using massive PR to pretend they are privacy oriented while they make money out of locked in devices.

Now I get people enjoy the Apple product experience.

I get they make a lot of things right for this experience, especially for user friendliness, and integration.

And I certainly get they made the industry progress from a technical point of view.

But do not compare their moral scale to the one from the FOSS folks. This is literally insulting them.

Re: Facebook pauses app reviews, disables new user authorizations

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The idea is this: given the complete graph and add some external data, you can identify those users you should advertise to, i. e. jane@test.com. BUT: what is still possible, and what Cambridge Analytica was actually building, is slightly different: with a statistical sample of maybe a few ten thousand complete profiles, you can build a statistical model that targets your advertisement not to a user, but a set of cri…

Agreed that it’s scary if someone actually manages to get it working. CA did not, nor did Obama who was given access to far more data. But the issue is the false narrative being sold by these news stories. If you ask an average person right now what happened based upon these news stories, they’ll tell you that Trump hired someone to hack their Facebook data and then used it to target Facebook ads to them, and that th…

I’m actually not opposed to this. In fact I wouldn’t mind if a similar narrative started about Clinton and how she used it to steal the popular vote. Then both major parties would be pushing for privacy in the US. Digital privacy is complex and I’d rather people have a misinformed motivation for it than apathy. It’s not unlike geopolitics or economics in that you almost need to have egregiously simplified propaganda to get people onboard because the reality is so complex and nuanced that most people's eyes glaze over at the thought of it. The truth and depth of understanding is available to anyone that wants it but my parents are never really going to get it the way I do. They don't have my understanding of how data, applications and the web actually work to make it all click so they think Facebook spies on them using their microphone when the reality is so much more insidious.

Re: Facebook pauses app reviews, disables new user authorizations

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Can anyone think of a useful Facebook app? I can’t think of one. They’re not as intrusive/awful as they were in the FarmVille era, but are any actually useful for users, not marketers?

I mean just having a Facebook login on your own website can be useful. I believe even that qualifies as a Facebook app.

Re: Facebook pauses app reviews, disables new user authorizations

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Wow man that's some top level hate. You do realize that Zuck has pledged away 99% of his wealth? Providing third party apps access to friends list was a strange permission. I have never used an app that asked for it. But there are plenty of dating, games and social apps that could only work with a permission like that. I think people are reading too much into this fiasco. We are better off fixing Facebook. It serves…

> It serves its purpose well. It’s purpose being? Maybe it’s the use I make of it, but it doesn’t add much to my life. It could go away and I could replace any of its function with something else, or not miss the function at all. Cambridge Analytica/Obama campaign data fiascos aside, many are arguing more and more that Facebook is doing more damage than good to society. Granted, this is hard to measure, but it’s a va…

> It’s purpose being?

Connecting people. Communication between friends. Social events.

> Maybe it’s the use I make of it, but it doesn’t add much to my life. It could go away and I could replace any of its function with something else, or not miss the function at all.

So, maybe learn to use it better? Less? Not at all?

> many are arguing more and more that Facebook is doing more damage than good to society.

I wish people who actually use it and benefit from it would be taken more seriously on HN. This is pretty stark "silent majority" scenario.

Re: Facebook pauses app reviews, disables new user authorizations

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post #48

Our app which has only `email` permissions is still allowing new users to sign up.

Do you have an alternate means of signup available for those that don't have Facebook?

Yep, users can sign up by email too.
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