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Re: Google News Initiative

#151
While this is generally a positive step by Google it will fall short in revitalizing the news industry for a simple reason. In a world of near infinite content options, most people can no longer justify having any single news subscription.

A better solution is a fractional subscription model where subscriptions are tiered to one's reading needs. This is what my company http://CivikOwl.com is working on. Hope to make a positive contribution to this important issue facing society.

Re: Google News Initiative

#152

'journalism' and 'news' are obsolete concepts. A journalist was an employee of a large entity who wrote articles and made videos that complied with the reality and perspective the company they work for wanted to promote. (There are still a few of these employees left working for what's left of these entities) 'News' was selective packaged information to influence and inform the broadest reach, with a goal of selling…

Newspapers existed long before advertising. The goal was to inform, and to have a public place of record accessible to all.

Yeah, because they were funded by the governments they ran under. "News" is a polite word for "propaganda," always was, always will be.

Re: Google News Initiative

#153

'journalism' and 'news' are obsolete concepts. A journalist was an employee of a large entity who wrote articles and made videos that complied with the reality and perspective the company they work for wanted to promote. (There are still a few of these employees left working for what's left of these entities) 'News' was selective packaged information to influence and inform the broadest reach, with a goal of selling…

I hardly think that journalism and news are outdated and unnecessary. Where else would people get long-form updates on what's happening in the world? We can do better than corporate/government propaganda, but it's unclear exactly how to avoid biases generated by your funding. Funding news and paying journalists (even for unpopular and unprofitable articles) is the real problem we need to consider.

Re: Google News Initiative

#154
post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Empowering users to become more and more power users is literally the reason humanity bothers with science and technology. Quite the opposite. Technology allows users to become less and less power users. > It's sad to see profit motive distract people away from that core reason. Not sure I got that part, are you complaining that other people are not leaving their jobs and living aside to build the product you want…

> Quite the opposite. Technology allows users to become less and less power users. That seems pedantic. Technology allows users to become "less and less power users" by giving them the tools to solve problems they were not advanced enough to solve before, or that were too time-consuming or difficult to solve before. That's exactly the same point the OP is making -- Google has the potential to build a tool which would…

> That seems pedantic. Technology allows users to become "less and less power users" by giving them the tools to solve problems they were not advanced enough to solve before, or that were too time-consuming or difficult to solve before.

Exactly, today a regular user can do what a power user could do years ago.

Create a full website with good design, structure, functionality? You had to be a power user, but not anymore.

Drive a car? You had to know how to use a clutch, shift gears, etc. Not anymore.

Access the internet? You had to buy a modem, configure it, connect, etc. Not anymore.

And so on.

Technology removes burdens, and allows regular users to do what only power users could before.

People don't want to be power users. People don't even want to be users. People want to listen to music, move, read.

Re: Google News Initiative

#155
post #28

I got fed up with Google News a year or so ago, over the echo chamber that the news site has become. It motivated me to create https://statesreport.com , with no ads and no tracking.

Interesting, I just opened your site and it has nearly the exact same list of articles/headlines/sources that my Google News page has. I wonder what is different about my settings and the settings of those who feel their news feed is highly edited.

Generally for news I prefer Blendle, and no I don't mind paying per story although I think some papers are pretty extreme in what they think their journalism is worth.

Re: Google News Initiative

#157
post #52

I used Google News for a long time. I have since blackholed it on all of my machines. By tailoring the news articles presented to be based on the interests that Google data mined from my Google profile, it became an echo chamber even worse than Facebook. It became a very bad source of news: all of the articles were self-reinforcing each other with very very little actual diversity of sources.

I had a similar problem. After I stopped using gmail & google search (for privacy reasons) and started using Duck Duck Go, it almost seemed random in what news it was trying to feed me because it didn't have enough data. I messed with the little sliders, banned fake news sources like HuffPost/WashPost etc, but I couldn't get it to deliver a news feed I actually wanted to consume... so... I just gave up on it. Finally…

> banned fake news sources like HuffPost/WashPost etc

Is the Washington Post considered fake news by most? Do you have examples of why you think it's fake? I'm curious because I actually pay for WaPo. I occasionally pull up fox news to see another side, but while I do consider WaPo liberal leaning, it seemed at least less biased than some other sources I've seen, and I would rather know the biases I'm consuming.

Re: Google News Initiative

#158
post #28

I got fed up with Google News a year or so ago, over the echo chamber that the news site has become. It motivated me to create https://statesreport.com , with no ads and no tracking.

Wow this works without whitelisting anything in noscript. Thank you!

Thanks, that was the goal!

Re: Google News Initiative

#159
post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The server is written in Go. The news scraper is written in python. I don't have the full list of sites offhand, but I'll try and get back to this comment!

So your Python scraper has a list of websites whose home pages it scrapes?

It mainly uses RSS feeds versus HTML scraping, but there are a couple of news sources where HTML is required.

Re: Google News Initiative

#160

I used Google News for a long time. I have since blackholed it on all of my machines. By tailoring the news articles presented to be based on the interests that Google data mined from my Google profile, it became an echo chamber even worse than Facebook. It became a very bad source of news: all of the articles were self-reinforcing each other with very very little actual diversity of sources.

The best thing about Google News (the old Google news) was that it was like being able to search microfiche of all the old-school news publications (but digitally): articles written by journalists for publications that happened to also be digitized. You could scroll back and back to as many results as the engine could find on any given topic. As a research tool, it was unparalleled in its ability to help journalists link facts to unbiased sources and to multiple sources.

When they redid the design (yes, I know exactly what you are talking about) it was like ... murdering democracy: limiting results.

I had to stop using it all together.

Sure you can go search google.com, but items that would show up on news ( == important things) are somehow lost from google, and it's just not the same.

Sad day when we lost the old news.google.com. If what they're saying here is true, the first thing to do is to bring back the old news search. That will help journalists more than anything.

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