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Bill Gates: "Someone decided to trash the one part of Windows that was usable?"

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Re: Bill Gates: "Someone decided to trash the one part of Windows that was usable?"

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If Gates had maintained a dictatorial death grip on his company like Steve Jobs has, MS probably could have made some decent products. It's one thing to yell at the people who made this system via email. It's quite another to never allow them to ship it in the first place .

Look at what Gates has done since he loosened his grip at MS. The Gates foundation's global health and global development programs have done tremendously important work to reduce human suffering in the 3rd world. Nothing Gates could do at MS would come even close to what he is doing now to make the world a better place. Compare to Steve Jobs who knows how to make wonderful shiny devices that cost more than what many…

This point seems to come up every time Bill's name is mentioned these days. It is really funny how he has gone from Darth Vader to Mother Theresa in a few short years. I mean its nice that he is giving all his money away and making a difference, but everyone seems to skip over the fact that his money was made by running an evil empire and being one of the most reviled figures in the computer world.

Re: Bill Gates: "Someone decided to trash the one part of Windows that was usable?"

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post #8

If Gates had maintained a dictatorial death grip on his company like Steve Jobs has, MS probably could have made some decent products. It's one thing to yell at the people who made this system via email. It's quite another to never allow them to ship it in the first place .

Look at what Gates has done since he loosened his grip at MS. The Gates foundation's global health and global development programs have done tremendously important work to reduce human suffering in the 3rd world. Nothing Gates could do at MS would come even close to what he is doing now to make the world a better place. Compare to Steve Jobs who knows how to make wonderful shiny devices that cost more than what many…

I see people write this all the time, and it makes me sick.

Bill Gates decided he made enough money at Microsoft and wanted to pursue other things. That's fantastic, for him and millions of others. Steve Jobs has decided to do what he loves until he can't any more. That's also fantastic, for him and for millions of others. They're both making positive changes for lots and lots of people. Who are you, or anyone else, to criticize that?

I don't see why these two need to be directly compared this way, as if Gates is finally showing his soft side means Jobs should too.

Re: Bill Gates: "Someone decided to trash the one part of Windows that was usable?"

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Look at what Gates has done since he loosened his grip at MS. The Gates foundation's global health and global development programs have done tremendously important work to reduce human suffering in the 3rd world. Nothing Gates could do at MS would come even close to what he is doing now to make the world a better place. Compare to Steve Jobs who knows how to make wonderful shiny devices that cost more than what many…

This isn't about which CEO is the better human being. It's about which management style is more effective.

I didn't claim that it was. I do think it is worth considering all the costs and benefits of Bill G staying at MS. The benefits might be a better Windows. The costs are all the work he wouldn't have time to do outside the technology sphere.

Re: Bill Gates: "Someone decided to trash the one part of Windows that was usable?"

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Look at what Gates has done since he loosened his grip at MS. The Gates foundation's global health and global development programs have done tremendously important work to reduce human suffering in the 3rd world. Nothing Gates could do at MS would come even close to what he is doing now to make the world a better place. Compare to Steve Jobs who knows how to make wonderful shiny devices that cost more than what many…

This point seems to come up every time Bill's name is mentioned these days. It is really funny how he has gone from Darth Vader to Mother Theresa in a few short years. I mean its nice that he is giving all his money away and making a difference, but everyone seems to skip over the fact that his money was made by running an evil empire and being one of the most reviled figures in the computer world.

everyone seems to skip over the fact that his money was made by running an evil empire and being one of the most reviled figures in the computer world

Just because you believe this does not mean everyone else does.

Re: Bill Gates: "Someone decided to trash the one part of Windows that was usable?"

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As bad as Sharepoint is, most of its competitors are much worse and also make huge piles of money.

Nothing can be much worse than Sharepoint. edit: there are categories of software that have representatives that are more dysfunctional than Sharepoint. Still, Sharepoint is pretty much the worst document management/intranet package you can find.

Sounds like you've never been forced to use any of the Oracle Applications webapps!

Re: Bill Gates: "Someone decided to trash the one part of Windows that was usable?"

#156
post #8

If Gates had maintained a dictatorial death grip on his company like Steve Jobs has, MS probably could have made some decent products. It's one thing to yell at the people who made this system via email. It's quite another to never allow them to ship it in the first place .

"MS probably could have made some decent products."

Microsoft products are great, not all of them but most of their software products are, it is the reason they own the desktop market and have millions of users using many of their software products every day.

I like Apple's products as well... but it is the hardware that I like... not so impressed with Apple's software such as Mail or Xcode.

Re: Bill Gates: "Someone decided to trash the one part of Windows that was usable?"

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Nothing can be much worse than Sharepoint. edit: there are categories of software that have representatives that are more dysfunctional than Sharepoint. Still, Sharepoint is pretty much the worst document management/intranet package you can find.

Sounds like you've never been forced to use any of the Oracle Applications webapps!

They may be bad, but come on, much worse than Sharepoint?

Re: Bill Gates: "Someone decided to trash the one part of Windows that was usable?"

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look at what Gates has done since he loosened his grip at MS. The Gates foundation's global health and global development programs have done tremendously important work to reduce human suffering in the 3rd world. Nothing Gates could do at MS would come even close to what he is doing now to make the world a better place. Compare to Steve Jobs who knows how to make wonderful shiny devices that cost more than what many…

This point seems to come up every time Bill's name is mentioned these days. It is really funny how he has gone from Darth Vader to Mother Theresa in a few short years. I mean its nice that he is giving all his money away and making a difference, but everyone seems to skip over the fact that his money was made by running an evil empire and being one of the most reviled figures in the computer world.

"Evil Empire" you are funny and misinformed.

Re: Bill Gates: "Someone decided to trash the one part of Windows that was usable?"

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look at what Gates has done since he loosened his grip at MS. The Gates foundation's global health and global development programs have done tremendously important work to reduce human suffering in the 3rd world. Nothing Gates could do at MS would come even close to what he is doing now to make the world a better place. Compare to Steve Jobs who knows how to make wonderful shiny devices that cost more than what many…

I see people write this all the time, and it makes me sick. Bill Gates decided he made enough money at Microsoft and wanted to pursue other things. That's fantastic, for him and millions of others. Steve Jobs has decided to do what he loves until he can't any more. That's also fantastic, for him and for millions of others. They're both making positive changes for lots and lots of people. Who are you, or anyone else,…

Steve Jobs releasing some new shiny thing that makes the lives of some very affluent people (on the global scale for wealth) magrinally better, doesn't compare, is not even in the same ball park, as ensuring that hundreds of thousands of people don't go blind in central Africa. That is my belief, and of course I understand that not everyone else shares it.

Re: Bill Gates: "Someone decided to trash the one part of Windows that was usable?"

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Microsoft has made a bunch of very good products: - Windows 3.0 and 3.1 clearly hit exactly the sweet spot between DOS and OS/2 - Word and Excel were legitimately better than the competition (and still are, although there is not much competition left). - Internet Explorer 4 was so much better than Netscape 3 and 4 that it wasn't even funny - Windows 2000 and XP were very good operating systems

Almost all releases of the NT line were good (including Win 7). Was there any OS contemporary to NT 3.51 that was better than it at anything (beside win 95 when it comes to compatibility with more software & hardware)?

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