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Re: Facebook turned on face recognition silently

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I don't use Facebook myself for a few years already, which is paradoxical as they were headhunting me recently to lead one of their ML teams and didn't mind that I quit them long time ago :D But maybe they were just harvesting my own "outlier" training dataset - who knows if I was filmed while onsite and now my gait is analyzed to smallest details including reconstructed skeleton and muscle attachments, my appearance…

I don't understand this. Why would you want to interview with a company whose core product you do not support?

Why not? You keep up to date, experiencing world-class hiring process and its requirements (IMO FB's hiring process is the best I've ever experienced, Google's feels one level down), you meet interesting people you might later work together on something cool either there or at another company, you visit interesting places, get some inspirations for your own businesses, interviews might be also a lot of fun (one interview I had at FB was an hour of one-joke-after-another while discussing/inventing architecture of some scalable system; imagine Cryptotinder which is a joke on its own) etc.

Re: Facebook turned on face recognition silently

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I got nearly the same notification, except mine defaulted to off, it said "This setting is off, but you can turn it on any time". My guess is that they based the setting on another setting. For example there was some photo tagging thing added years ago, and I disabled that. Most of my timeline and tagging settings are set to Custom or require review.

Countries laws? Are you in Europe perhaps?

Mine was off by default, and I'm in the US. I think it was based on the older face recognition setting which I disabled when it first came out.

Re: Facebook turned on face recognition silently

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So, here's the weird catch-22. Or perhaps, the illusion of choice. There are two people who are in a photo. One wishes Facebook to use face recognition, the other does not. Facebook will run face recognition on the photo regardless, but how will they know who wants to be recognized, and who doesn't? Simply, they have a model of your face already trained. And they recognize you in photos--you have no say whether or no…

Which is why I do not want anybody to make any pictures of me, especially not if they are active on social media. There are exactly two pictures of me online, the one is 30 years old, the other about 10. The quickest way to get me pissed off is to point a camera at me.

If you've traveled through any US airport in the last 5 years, you're in the FAA traveler's FR database.

Re: Facebook turned on face recognition silently

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This is not arbitrary. There is a clear upside: the ability to quickly find all pictures of a person, either by that person themselves or by other people. The benefit provided by this feature has to be weighed against its potential for harm in order to decide whether it is a permissible use of technology or not. To be honest, facebook should have gathered consent in a GDPR-compliant way: opt-in. But IMHO the feature…

> There is a clear upside: the ability to quickly find all pictures of a person, either by that person themselves or by other people. That's not a benefit to me. > But given the value provided by the feature, again I ask: what is the harm you're afraid of? You're stuck. It's kind of annoying when you ask someone a question, they give you an answer and then you repeat the question again. Either you're going to have to…

I believe I understand your point of view (and please correct me if I don't): you don't want these companies to track any data about you because you think of digital privacy as an absolute right.

Now try to understand my point of view: I think treating digital privacy as an absolute right is probably a mistake. First of all it's a denial of how the real world works (where you never have absolute privacy since other people will always know things about you). Secondly, the potential for social data to create value to society is quite large, and absolute privacy means we won't have any of that value. Admittedly, there is a also a big potential for harm, but that's my point: let's be deliberate about these things, not just dismiss them without consideration.

Re: Facebook turned on face recognition silently

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So, here's the weird catch-22. Or perhaps, the illusion of choice. There are two people who are in a photo. One wishes Facebook to use face recognition, the other does not. Facebook will run face recognition on the photo regardless, but how will they know who wants to be recognized, and who doesn't? Simply, they have a model of your face already trained. And they recognize you in photos--you have no say whether or no…

Which is why I do not want anybody to make any pictures of me, especially not if they are active on social media. There are exactly two pictures of me online, the one is 30 years old, the other about 10. The quickest way to get me pissed off is to point a camera at me.

This is a good approach. However this way some positions of power will be left forever locked to you as popularity moves the world (but that exclusion might be a good thing as well if you want to keep sanity/illusion of privacy). Just there are trade-offs.

Re: Facebook turned on face recognition silently

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I'm getting severe anxiety from having a camera pointed at me since this all Facebook stuff started and people posted pictures online. Needless to say, I don't have an account there. I also take off the moment I see a camera unless the shooter in advance ask me if it's ok and they agree to not put it online. Unfortunately I can't do anything about CCTV but that's not posted online at least. It's to the point where I…

It’s a shame Hyperface has been delayed. I honestly look forward to the day when you see cyberpunks walking around with these on their faces and you can instantly recognize a kindred spirit, if not the identity of same. https://ahprojects.com/projects/hyperface/

When people start wearing these they will start being called that t word.

Re: Facebook turned on face recognition silently

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post #92

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I'm getting severe anxiety from having a camera pointed at me since this all Facebook stuff started and people posted pictures online. Needless to say, I don't have an account there. I also take off the moment I see a camera unless the shooter in advance ask me if it's ok and they agree to not put it online. Unfortunately I can't do anything about CCTV but that's not posted online at least. It's to the point where I…

It’s a shame Hyperface has been delayed. I honestly look forward to the day when you see cyberpunks walking around with these on their faces and you can instantly recognize a kindred spirit, if not the identity of same. https://ahprojects.com/projects/hyperface/

Hyperface is algorithm specific, and fails on the majority of the FR algorithms in the NIST FR Vendor Test.

Re: Facebook turned on face recognition silently

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Which is why I do not want anybody to make any pictures of me, especially not if they are active on social media. There are exactly two pictures of me online, the one is 30 years old, the other about 10. The quickest way to get me pissed off is to point a camera at me.

If you've traveled through any US airport in the last 5 years, you're in the FAA traveler's FR database.

I haven't. But I'm aware of their photo craze at the borders. Europe isn't much different these days.

Fortunately they're not yet automatically cross-posting those images on Facebook :)

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