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How does ‘class-passing’ actually work?

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> It really is true that there are unspoken codes and mores to follow, and it was uncomfortable when I didn't Any examples spring to mind?

I can't speak for OP, but a big one is how to deal with the check at a restaurant. For people who are lower/lower middle class (or at the least not financially secure), you pass around a receipt and take turns deciding who owes what. In the middle/upper middle class, there is an unspoken rule the check gets split, and anything else is awkward. In the upper class, oftentimes one person will pay for the check and it's…

>In the upper class, oftentimes one person will pay for the check and it's awkward to object.

That's how it's in my country for all classes, poor or rich.

When friends go out, someone and pays for all the others (and someone might ask to chip in or pay themselves, but the first one doesn't take no for an answer).

Next time you see each other, the other person can pay, but no one keeps any very specific tally ("I paid 3 times, you paid 1") -- that would be considered tacky and cheap. That said, if someone systematically over many meetings never takes initiative to pay that the rest start considering them a cheapskate (but never giving specific tally or anything -- it's more from the feeling "never remember you paying").

Anybody insisting on splitting the bill, or obsessing over who ordered what, is also seen as a cheapskate.

That's how it usually goes among people with regular income. Now, sometimes, when the company is comprised of people that might be students, unemployed, etc, they more often agree to split the bill. But in this case too, obsessing over who bought what is considered rude, and usually it's just a simple bill/persons split that's paid by all.

Re: How does ‘class-passing’ actually work?

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> I often wonder why no one's mother didn't fill the these people's mouth with dawn liquid soap and slap the child silly, but then I realize that honesty wasn't a life or death situation for them. What? This is just child abuse. Please expand on what circumstances in which this considered OK?

In my mind child abuse is hurting a child for selfish reasons and discipline is punishment to cause behavioral changes. Some cultures allow for different severity of punishments. However the intent of the parent is very important when labeling child abuse.

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Re: How does ‘class-passing’ actually work?

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This article resonates with me on many levels. I went from below $10/hr to 5x that and never experienced anything in between. The struggle is huge, and I keep having to look inside myself to figure out what "my people" is supposed to mean. A huge different that's obvious to me is the language we use. I often wonder why no one's mother didn't fill the these people's mouth with dawn liquid soap and slap the child silly…

> I often wonder why no one's mother didn't fill the these people's mouth with dawn liquid soap and slap the child silly, but then I realize that honesty wasn't a life or death situation for them. What? This is just child abuse. Please expand on what circumstances in which this considered OK?

Bullshit for some people is the same as lying, where lying is binary and not shaded. Lying is a great way to end up on the evening news.

Re: How does ‘class-passing’ actually work?

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If you want a quick hack to be seen as high class and authoritative (and you probably do since this is hackernews) in any situation just follow this one simple rule: Don’t move your head around so much, keep it straight forward and still. If you must look at things, do so only by moving your eyes, not rotating your whole head. If you need to turn your gaze more, turn your whole body. Look at things with intent, and on your own terms.

Try it today.

Re: How does ‘class-passing’ actually work?

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It’s more that the Internet can enable the kind of coordination that a mass movement to revoke power needs.

Oil could have enabled that kind of coordiation too, how'd that work out? For a mass movement, you need lots of leaders (of people) to band together and agree to steer the ship in a specific direction.

Hm? Oil isn’t a communications medium.

Re: How does ‘class-passing’ actually work?

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post #57

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I can't speak for OP, but a big one is how to deal with the check at a restaurant. For people who are lower/lower middle class (or at the least not financially secure), you pass around a receipt and take turns deciding who owes what. In the middle/upper middle class, there is an unspoken rule the check gets split, and anything else is awkward. In the upper class, oftentimes one person will pay for the check and it's…

That's a symptom of the value of time vs. money. If you're going to resent someone getting an extra 10$ worth of food you split the check based on costs. If 10$ is effectively meaningless but 200$ is not. Split it per person, it's fairly close and reasonably fast. If 200$ is effectively meaningless, rotate who pays it's faster. This can blend into: If 2,000$ if effectively meaningless, or you want to show off, who pa…

I'm not sure the time thing is particularly true but you're absolutely spot on with it being a value of money thing. And you're spot on with your characterisation as to how it works.

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The only way to become wealthy is to spend less than you make. The only way to stay wealthy is to spend less than you make (and have your investments outpace inflation). One of the best ways to do that is to not inflate your lifestyle, like starting to think you're too good for things like putting together your furniture from Ikea.

> The only way to become wealthy is to spend less than you make. This is hilariously wrong.

Over the long term, it is correct. I think you may be spending with investments.

Re: How does ‘class-passing’ actually work?

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Why bother?

The so-called high-class are born rich. They never had to work hard for what they have. You can be pretty sure they couldn't. Most poor people do stay poor, after all.

If you made your own fortune, then you're objectively better than most of them. In fact, they do not deserve your time.

Re: How does ‘class-passing’ actually work?

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As someone who's navigated their way from poor->middle class->upper middle class I can give a bit of perspective that I rarely see mentioned in these articles... One of the biggest barriers to moving up in class is the people in your starter class. Family, friends, neighbors... almost all of them will start to get very aggressive with you if you seriously try to better yourself. I remember being accused of using too…

> I remember being accused of using too many "five dollar words", being a nerd for spending time learning technology, being a loser for reading books! The upper class looks down on nerds, especially technology nerds, just as much as if not more than the lower class does. If we're stereotyping, intellectualism is largely a middle class phenomenon.

Perhaps it is now, but it was not always the case. At the dawn of age of reason you would have certainly needed to be independently wealthy (upper class) in order to pursue purely intellectual activities. For a time, anti-intellectualism was perhaps not as prevalent within the working class. Education was seen as a way to better ones self, people tended allotment gardens and took part in sports and cultural activities like workplace brass bands. Maybe they succeeded and their descendants are now middle class. The reality though, is largely defeat as was alluded to in this thread:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16272553

"Chavs: The Demonization of the Working Class"

"There’s been class warfare for the last 20 years, and my class has won"

Re: How does ‘class-passing’ actually work?

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> - What and how you eat, although that one has relaxed a little bit over the last few years as street food has been gentrified and made trendier. I'm so damn sick of all this stuff. It's like nobody can just make a normal dish without putting some insipid "twist" on it anymore.

Really? I grew up in the Midwest where chicken fried rice from the local Chinese place was about as exotic as it got, and our standard meals were some form of overcooked meat, potatoes, and a token green. The evolution of the food and restaurant scenes in the US is one of the things I'm pretty happy about. It can definitely be handled poorly, but for the most part I think it's been a positive.

Variety is great. I love access to various ethnic cuisines. What I'm sick of is how you can't get normal fries because they are all sweet potato fries with truffle oil and similar gimmicks.
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