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Re: Google and Facebook are watching our every move online

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Post by IncRnd »

rapnie wrote: post #147

imho the current web is broken.. it has become entirely dominated by monopolists, which will only grow larger.. more dominating we need: - The Decentralized Web (as it was originally envisioned) - Users in full control of their own data - Privacy-first approaches only - Stricter regulation (though tough to implement well)

> we need: - The Decentralized Web (as it was originally envisioned) - Users in full control of their own data - Privacy-first approaches only - Stricter regulation (though tough to implement well)

You have that now! Just stop giving your data to companies you don't want to have it.

The people who never give their data away wonder at the people who give their data away, then call for regulation.

Re: Google and Facebook are watching our every move online

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Post by jacksmith21006 »

linsomniac wrote: post #56

I feel like I'm in the minority, but I'm mostly ok with Google. I feel like they are good stewards of my data (encrypting even internal traffic, severe restrictions on who can get access to my data, doing useful things with that data). I believe Facebook has similar policies in place. I think their biggest sins are just being big. It makes them a larger target (which probably necessitates them taking extreme protecti…

I am the same. Use Google services and have several Google homes and use Google DNS Google WiFi, Nest, Gmail, Photos, Pixel, etc.

I prefer my data be at one place as much as possible instead scattered.

Easisest place to do that is with Google as they have the most comprehensive services.

Re: Google and Facebook are watching our every move online

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Post by lev99 »

dvfjsdhgfv wrote: post #123
DavideNL wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I feel like they are good stewards of my data (encrypting even internal traffic...) I hate it when people use this as an argument against "Google invading privacy", it's an argument that doesn't make any sense at all; Encrypting your data in transit prevents outsiders from reading your data, obviously it doesn't prevent Google itself from accessing your data. This article is about how Google (and FB, etc.) invades…

> Google should at least let people CHOOSE whether they want to use their products at the cost of privacy. Why should they let us do that? No other company is doing that. It's a tacit agreement between providers of free-to-use services and the people who choose to use them: the more personal data you give, the more you receive. If a company has a very good offering or is currently trending, they can even demand your…

I have worked for companies that use g-suite. This is a paid product targeted towards businesses that tracks end users.

Re: Google and Facebook are watching our every move online

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Post by Santosh83 »

maxxxxx wrote: post #90
ams6110 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Companies that grow beyond a certain size become laden with inertia and overhead. Smaller companies can come along and disrupt them. Facebook did this to MySpace. Someone will do it to Facebook, eventually.

Eventually someone will disrupt them. But there will be a long time span before that where they can compensate for their lack of innovation by buying out possible competition with a lot of money.

Even if they eventually fail or are disrupted, their massive and ever expanding troves of data aren't going to go away. Somebody else is going to take possession of the valuable data. If nothing else, then govt will acquire them for intel.

Re: Google and Facebook are watching our every move online

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Post by rapnie »

IncRnd wrote: post #151
rapnie wrote: post #147

imho the current web is broken.. it has become entirely dominated by monopolists, which will only grow larger.. more dominating we need: - The Decentralized Web (as it was originally envisioned) - Users in full control of their own data - Privacy-first approaches only - Stricter regulation (though tough to implement well)

> we need: - The Decentralized Web (as it was originally envisioned) - Users in full control of their own data - Privacy-first approaches only - Stricter regulation (though tough to implement well) You have that now! Just stop giving your data to companies you don't want to have it. The people who never give their data away wonder at the people who give their data away, then call for regulation.

sure, we have it.. but we need to use it pervasively, en masse :)

and not giving your data away is _really_ hard for average user, when google is so deeply engrained in the web

Re: Google and Facebook are watching our every move online

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Post by mr_spothawk »

mr_spothawk wrote: post #120
UncleMeat wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They started encrypting before the leaks happened.

I don't remember things happening this way. I remember PRISM announced, then the conversation about all of the internal HTTPS

Evidently somebody disagrees with me about how that all went down, but doesn't have the time to correct me.

Re: Google and Facebook are watching our every move online

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Post by joshyi »

LizMcIntyre wrote: post #111
linsomniac wrote: post #56

I feel like I'm in the minority, but I'm mostly ok with Google. I feel like they are good stewards of my data (encrypting even internal traffic, severe restrictions on who can get access to my data, doing useful things with that data). I believe Facebook has similar policies in place. I think their biggest sins are just being big. It makes them a larger target (which probably necessitates them taking extreme protecti…

Yahoo / Bing, Microsoft and others are just as bad. Don't get me wrong, Google and FB need to change their ways, but they aren't alone. For example, Yahoo was caught helping the US government spy on consumers, whether they were suspect or not: http://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-yahoo-em... What's more, Yahoo is now owned by Verizon, a company known for anti-consumer practices. We should all make some…

I agree with you.

- Use uBlock Origin when browsing the interwebs

- Use GoAccess instead of Google Analytics

- Use the incognito/private tab

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