A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) • Hacker News Board

Re: A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012)

#151

Post by olavk » Thu, Feb 01, 2018, 9:16 AM UTC

b0rsuk wrote: post #150

olavk wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see the contradiction. They didn't exterminate people of German descent in the conquered territories, rather they were supposed to become the new elite.

Focusing on exterminating of social elite (doctors, lawyers, famous artists, officers, writers, journalists...) is admitting there was an elite. How can a slave race have people creating culture and order?

You cant challenge Nazi racial ideology as if it was a logically consistent system. It was pretty opportunistic. For example Slavs are technically Aryan (given the theory behind the concept of an Aryan race), but nevertheless the Nazis considered them subhumans because it justified the lebensraum politics. On the other hand, the Japanese was elevated to "honorable Aryans" when they became allies.

Re: A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012)

#152

Post by yakitori » Fri, Feb 02, 2018, 2:53 AM UTC

toomanybeersies wrote: post #126

yakitori wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Allies are no exception. Absolutely. As Robert E Lee eloquently said: "It is well that war is so terrible, otherwise we should grow too fond of it." In war there is no good. It's just evil. The only difference is between winners and losers. > The psychology behind committing such crime is beyond the “sexual urge” excuse. Isn't it innate nature? In the wild, whether it is chimps or lions, you vanquish the males and…

> The entirety of european colonization ( from africa to china ) was mass rape of women I was with you up until then. European colonisation was about exploiting the natural resources of the Africa and the Orient, not the women.

> European colonisation was about exploiting the natural resources of the Africa and the Orient, not the women.

I meant for the entirety of european colonization ( its duration ), that the mass rape of women from africa to china was the norm. Not that rape was the only motivating factor. I think that was fairly obvious if you put that within the context of my other points.

Women, along with resources, land, slaves, etc were part of the equation. It wasn't the sole reason.

Re: A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012)

#153

Post by ethelward » Sun, Feb 04, 2018, 2:26 PM UTC

mamon wrote: post #119

blindwatchmaker wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Soviets were not bent on world conquest, but on securing a ring of buffer states around them as security for their country. Witness Stalin's betrayal of the communists in Greece as horse trading for influence elsewhere. Stalin's socialism in one country policy set against exporting revolution was in fact a huge point of contention with other factions of the Bolsheviks. While the Soviets did harbour imperial ambit…

Actually, it is pretty well documented that Germans forestalled Soviet offensive by just few weeks, maybe months. Red Army’s initial misfortunes after Germany’s attack in 1941 were caused by the fact that all the troops they had in proximity to USSR-German border were preparing to attack, not to defend themselves.

> it is pretty well documented that Germans forestalled Soviet offensive by just few weeks

No it's not. The only “Historian” to say so was the so-called Suvorov, a transfuge of the NKVD. And his theories have been thoroughly dismantled by the whole academia.