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Facebook Overhauls News Feed to Focus on What Friends and Family Share

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Re: Facebook Overhauls News Feed to Focus on What Friends and Family Share

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I wonder if enough of the core-base was eroding that they were forced to make this change. I've been logged out of Facebook since October, and I know a few other friends who have as well. That's not really relevant, except that this group all had membership on Facebook at the 1 year mark - early 2005.

I haven't visited the Facebook Main site either for quite some time. Only using the messenger.

Re: Facebook Overhauls News Feed to Focus on What Friends and Family Share

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"Sharing" is spamming. I'm interested in what my friends write . I have little interest in what they share , especially if it's commercial content.

I agree. I've unfollowed so many friends because they are basically little machines designed to share everything they see on Facebook. I'm missing tons of moments from their lives and it gets awkward when my brother asks me if I saw his Facebook post the other day, but man I wish I could choose to see written posts but not shared posts.

man I wish I could choose to see written posts but not shared posts.

Exactly. And Facebook won't give you that.

Re: Facebook Overhauls News Feed to Focus on What Friends and Family Share

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> My main complaint is, people explicitly chose to follow my content and got used to seeing it... and now it's all gone. They still follow, but they don't see. They're the product, so it doesn't matter if they get what they want or not, so long as they come back. > Even if I pay, it's not guaranteed to hit the same audience I had before. If it was guaranteed, what incentive would you have to pay Facebook more?

>If it was guaranteed, what incentive would you have to pay Facebook more? Well the way products usually work is the company says "pay me this amount and here is what you'll get". The way Facebook works is "Pay me... no, a bit more. Maybe a bit more. No, there's no guarantee of what you'll get in return. Don't like it? Pay a bit more then." The relationship between content creators and Facebook is a partnership. Face…

> You can excuse their exploitative business model all you want, but it only works until there's a viable alternative.

I'm not excusing it, I just want to put it in stark relief because I dislike it.

Re: Facebook Overhauls News Feed to Focus on What Friends and Family Share

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There’s still something eerily uncomfortable about how they want me to log in so much and check everything . They basically lie about it now, finding any excuse to put a colored flag on something. Recent example: while I was logged out, they put my picture on their “quick login” page with a little red number “2” on my photo . Well gee, turns out there wasn’t “2” of anything in my profile to see: no unread messages, e…

> Recent example: while I was logged out, they put my picture on their “quick login” page with a little red number “2” on my photo. Well gee, turns out there wasn’t “2” of anything in my profile to see: no unread messages, etc.; no, it was just made-up crap to make me want to go check Facebook again.

I've seen this too: I created an empty profile once for some reason. The email account that I setup for it very quickly started getting messages like "you have 1 new notification - log in." When I did that, there wasn't a damn thing there.

Re: Facebook Overhauls News Feed to Focus on What Friends and Family Share

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Good intentions or not, we must remember that history has proven time and time again, when any entity has far too much unchecked power, it is inevitably exploited by bad actors. A user base of two billion users without any real accountability is a scary thing. The only people policing Facebook are Facebook. We would never agree to a having a single dictator who answers to no one, why should Facebook be treated any di…

Because unlike a dictator Facebook has zero real power over your life? It's a site of puppies and horoscopes, you think we should be dealing with them like we do Kim Jong Un? How have we moved so far on the personal responsibility scale. Why aren't people partly responsible for not making better use of their time? Facebook is an "evil echo chamber", "wasting people's lives", "catering to business", etc - ALL THEY DO…

I agree and feel similarly about the fake news discussion that's been going on since the election: Instead of looking for ways to hide it we should try to educate people, encourage critical thinking and work towards media consumption literacy and competence. If publications like Breitbart, /r/the_donald and others find a substantial following, maybe the receivers and not the messenger itself needs fixing.

Of course this isn't an overnight process, but one that has to start early, particularly during childhood, which is why the education system is central to those efforts.

Re: Facebook Overhauls News Feed to Focus on What Friends and Family Share

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I agree. I've unfollowed so many friends because they are basically little machines designed to share everything they see on Facebook. I'm missing tons of moments from their lives and it gets awkward when my brother asks me if I saw his Facebook post the other day, but man I wish I could choose to see written posts but not shared posts.

man I wish I could choose to see written posts but not shared posts. Exactly. And Facebook won't give you that.

I remember when that was only what I saw on facebook

Re: Facebook Overhauls News Feed to Focus on What Friends and Family Share

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There’s still something eerily uncomfortable about how they want me to log in so much and check everything . They basically lie about it now, finding any excuse to put a colored flag on something. Recent example: while I was logged out, they put my picture on their “quick login” page with a little red number “2” on my photo . Well gee, turns out there wasn’t “2” of anything in my profile to see: no unread messages, e…

Spammers gonna spam. Anything sent to me from "notification@facebookmail.com" or "noreply@facebookmail.com" goes straight to the trash, and the problem is solved.

Re: Facebook Overhauls News Feed to Focus on What Friends and Family Share

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It depends. Some people use Facebook "likes" as a crappy replacement for RSS, so it's probably not great for them.

As someone who runs a business partly driven by people who use Facebook as a crappy replacement for RSS, I can confirm. Facebook made a change a while back where people who explicitly followed my page to keep up to date on local events and businesses suddenly were not seeing anything I posted. I had to start paying Facebook to keep them showing things to people, but even that is far slower than it had been. Out of ab…

I understand that your audience is unlikely to setup an rss reader, but what about an old fashioned newsletter? Build a simple website (if you don't have one already) and let people subscribe to your events/announcements via email. Services like Mailchimp would come in handy to manage subscriptions, create newsletters and, of course, send them.

Also, explain the problem to your facebook users and encourage them to use the email subscription to not miss any future events.

Re: Facebook Overhauls News Feed to Focus on What Friends and Family Share

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post #73

"Sharing" is spamming. I'm interested in what my friends write . I have little interest in what they share , especially if it's commercial content.

The News Feed algorithm is a plague for everyone who is not Facebook or its shareholders. Who knows if I will see something written by a "friend"? Who knows if "friends" will see something I write? What if they "share" or "like" it; does that make a difference? I guess this is how all those poor pigeons felt inside Skinner's boxes.

Re: Facebook Overhauls News Feed to Focus on What Friends and Family Share

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It depends. Some people use Facebook "likes" as a crappy replacement for RSS, so it's probably not great for them.

As someone who runs a business partly driven by people who use Facebook as a crappy replacement for RSS, I can confirm. Facebook made a change a while back where people who explicitly followed my page to keep up to date on local events and businesses suddenly were not seeing anything I posted. I had to start paying Facebook to keep them showing things to people, but even that is far slower than it had been. Out of ab…

Here's your experience summed up in comic form:

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/reaching_people

Seems to be a common thing.

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