The State of Atom's Performance • Hacker News Board

Re: The State of Atom's Performance

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Post by ploxiln » Thu, Jan 11, 2018, 12:51 AM UTC

jamesmcintyre wrote: post #128

Why has Hacker News become such a hotbed for cynicism, ridicule and snark by which almost none comes constructive ideas? I along with many of my fellow engineers use Atom everyday and love it. Sure it has some shortcomings but if anything this retrospective from the Atom team shows that they're trying to address those shortcomings at a rapid clip. I love that it's an entirely open source system and that it is written…

Positivity is marketing, you can get that anywhere. I come to places like HN to see what's honestly bad about various technologies and tools.

And don't tell me no editors are really worse than any other editors. That's crap.

Re: The State of Atom's Performance

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Post by txsh » Thu, Jan 11, 2018, 12:55 AM UTC

qaq wrote: post #7

I think unless there is some drastic change VSCode is going to dominate in this space.

A lot of Microsoft cheerleading/astroturfing on Hacker News these days.

Re: The State of Atom's Performance

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Post by Avshalom » Thu, Jan 11, 2018, 1:05 AM UTC

jamesmcintyre wrote: post #128

Why has Hacker News become such a hotbed for cynicism, ridicule and snark by which almost none comes constructive ideas? I along with many of my fellow engineers use Atom everyday and love it. Sure it has some shortcomings but if anything this retrospective from the Atom team shows that they're trying to address those shortcomings at a rapid clip. I love that it's an entirely open source system and that it is written…

>> written in the accessible Javascript language so that anyone can contribute

Anyone that knows JavaScript.

Re: The State of Atom's Performance

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Post by taeric » Thu, Jan 11, 2018, 1:13 AM UTC

Veedrac wrote: post #149

gaius wrote: post #2

Atom takes longer to start up than text editors like Vim and Sublime Text because of the dynamic architecture of the app And yet Emacs is fast, hmmm.

Emacs doesn't offer a fraction of the graphical flexibility that Atom does. How would you do any of the below? https://benmccormick.org/2016/01/11/the-most-interesting-ato...

The only one of those I'm not sure on is the expose one. The rest seem like they already exist in emacs.

It is probably mentioned in every editor thread, but org-mode is enough magic with an editor to mystify most developers. Syntax highlighting for multiple languages in a single file is already stretching most boundaries.

Re: The State of Atom's Performance

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Post by Lev1a » Thu, Jan 11, 2018, 1:30 AM UTC

txsh wrote: post #152

qaq wrote: post #7

I think unless there is some drastic change VSCode is going to dominate in this space.

A lot of Microsoft cheerleading/astroturfing on Hacker News these days.

Even I (as someone who has a profound hatred for MS and their business practices) have to admit that VSCode is vastly superior to Atom, which is why I have used the former instead of the latter for a long time.

Re: The State of Atom's Performance

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Post by rubyn00bie » Thu, Jan 11, 2018, 1:33 AM UTC

jamesmcintyre wrote: post #128

Why has Hacker News become such a hotbed for cynicism, ridicule and snark by which almost none comes constructive ideas? I along with many of my fellow engineers use Atom everyday and love it. Sure it has some shortcomings but if anything this retrospective from the Atom team shows that they're trying to address those shortcomings at a rapid clip. I love that it's an entirely open source system and that it is written…

My general dislike for Atom wasn't anything to do with the editor itself, I've just always been sore they used CoffeeScript which is a language I personally _loathe_. I was excited to have a sublime replacement I could hack on, but that killed it for me. It was that it was so inaccessible and for such a asinine reason (a language purely for syntactical sugar). JavaScript is the lingua franca of the internet for fucks sake... I'll stop ranting about that.

BUT NOW.. for anyone else like me-- it looks like, from my quick glance, there's not much CoffeeScript left in the repo. So maybe it's time to give it a chance again.

Re: The State of Atom's Performance

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Post by qaq » Thu, Jan 11, 2018, 1:34 AM UTC

txsh wrote: post #152

qaq wrote: post #7

I think unless there is some drastic change VSCode is going to dominate in this space.

A lot of Microsoft cheerleading/astroturfing on Hacker News these days.

Not a fan of MS but VSCode and TypeScript are good products

Re: The State of Atom's Performance

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Post by yalph » Thu, Jan 11, 2018, 1:34 AM UTC

ploxiln wrote: post #151

jamesmcintyre wrote: post #128

Why has Hacker News become such a hotbed for cynicism, ridicule and snark by which almost none comes constructive ideas? I along with many of my fellow engineers use Atom everyday and love it. Sure it has some shortcomings but if anything this retrospective from the Atom team shows that they're trying to address those shortcomings at a rapid clip. I love that it's an entirely open source system and that it is written…

Positivity is marketing, you can get that anywhere. I come to places like HN to see what's honestly bad about various technologies and tools. And don't tell me no editors are really worse than any other editors. That's crap.

How you say things also matter. If you are an asshole about shit people will be less likely to share their work with you.

Re: The State of Atom's Performance

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Post by mr_toad » Thu, Jan 11, 2018, 1:39 AM UTC

gaius wrote: post #2

Atom takes longer to start up than text editors like Vim and Sublime Text because of the dynamic architecture of the app And yet Emacs is fast, hmmm.

These days. 20 years ago people hated on Emacs for the same reasons they hate on Atom now.

Re: The State of Atom's Performance

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Post by subsection1h » Thu, Jan 11, 2018, 2:10 AM UTC

rubyn00bie wrote: post #156

jamesmcintyre wrote: post #128

Why has Hacker News become such a hotbed for cynicism, ridicule and snark by which almost none comes constructive ideas? I along with many of my fellow engineers use Atom everyday and love it. Sure it has some shortcomings but if anything this retrospective from the Atom team shows that they're trying to address those shortcomings at a rapid clip. I love that it's an entirely open source system and that it is written…

My general dislike for Atom wasn't anything to do with the editor itself, I've just always been sore they used CoffeeScript which is a language I personally _loathe_. I was excited to have a sublime replacement I could hack on, but that killed it for me. It was that it was so inaccessible and for such a asinine reason (a language purely for syntactical sugar). JavaScript is the lingua franca of the internet for fucks…

> CoffeeScript which is a language I personally _loathe_. [...] it was so inaccessible

You know JavaScript, yet CoffeeScript is inaccessible? WTF. I had never written a line of Lisp in my life before using Emacs, but that didn't stop me from writing hundreds of lines of Emacs Lisp during the first weekend that I used Emacs.

What's up with the unwillingness (or inability?) that many web developers seem to have for using more than one or two programming languages?