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Big Tech Is Going After Health Care

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Re: Big Tech Is Going After Health Care

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nradov wrote: post #148
grzm wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From what I've seen, family doctors have been replaced by primary care physicians. There's still a place for generalists in the medical profession.

You've mixed up two separate concepts. Primary care physician is a role , not a specialty. Most PCPs specialize in family medicine, internal medicine, or pediatrics. The PCP acts as the patient's primary point of contact, leads the patient's care team, and makes referrals to specialists when necessary.

Effectively a PCP is a load balancer for the pharmaceutical industry, directing consumers to the appropriate pill pusher.

Re: Big Tech Is Going After Health Care

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Post by nradov »

aviv wrote: post #116
fcarraldo wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AFAIK, as a patient with Crohn’s, there is no evidence that any specific diet causes or cures Crohn’s disease. If you know of dietary restrictions which reduce risk of Crohn’s in the same manner as type 2 diabetes, please share it, as I know many people (both patients and physicians) that would be happy to help make lifestyle changes to cure their disease.

It's AFAYK because that's what you are being told currently. Who do you expect to show you the evidence that a 2-week water fast will cure your Crohn's? The company that makes Remicade which brings them up to $200K a year per patient? A university that gets funded by the government that is lobbied heavily by the pharma companies? Come on. Think about it. I already shared it - now it's up to you to pick it up from her…

If you want anyone to believe you then I would expect to see evidence from a large scale, double-blind clinical study published in a respectable medical journal. Find some researchers yourself and help put it together. Since there's no expense for medicine or food it ought to be fairly cheap to run. Despite your ridiculous conspiracy theory, hospitals and universities frequently conduct studies that aren't funded by pharma companies. Just pick up some medical journals and start reading to see how totally off base you are.

Re: Big Tech Is Going After Health Care

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Post by grzm »

aviv wrote: post #151
nradov wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You've mixed up two separate concepts. Primary care physician is a role , not a specialty. Most PCPs specialize in family medicine, internal medicine, or pediatrics. The PCP acts as the patient's primary point of contact, leads the patient's care team, and makes referrals to specialists when necessary.

Effectively a PCP is a load balancer for the pharmaceutical industry, directing consumers to the appropriate pill pusher.

At this point you are trolling. Would you please stop?

Re: Big Tech Is Going After Health Care

#154

Post by grzm »

nradov wrote: post #148
grzm wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From what I've seen, family doctors have been replaced by primary care physicians. There's still a place for generalists in the medical profession.

You've mixed up two separate concepts. Primary care physician is a role , not a specialty. Most PCPs specialize in family medicine, internal medicine, or pediatrics. The PCP acts as the patient's primary point of contact, leads the patient's care team, and makes referrals to specialists when necessary.

Could you clarify the distinction in the context of my parent's question? I think the same thing could be said of family doctor, but I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at. For what it's worth, my dictionary refers me to "general practitioner" when looking up "family doctor".

Re: Big Tech Is Going After Health Care

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Post by aviv »

grzm wrote: post #153
aviv wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Effectively a PCP is a load balancer for the pharmaceutical industry, directing consumers to the appropriate pill pusher.

At this point you are trolling. Would you please stop?

Which part of my statement is inaccurate?

Re: Big Tech Is Going After Health Care

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Post by aviv »

nradov wrote: post #152
aviv wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's AFAYK because that's what you are being told currently. Who do you expect to show you the evidence that a 2-week water fast will cure your Crohn's? The company that makes Remicade which brings them up to $200K a year per patient? A university that gets funded by the government that is lobbied heavily by the pharma companies? Come on. Think about it. I already shared it - now it's up to you to pick it up from her…

If you want anyone to believe you then I would expect to see evidence from a large scale, double-blind clinical study published in a respectable medical journal. Find some researchers yourself and help put it together. Since there's no expense for medicine or food it ought to be fairly cheap to run. Despite your ridiculous conspiracy theory, hospitals and universities frequently conduct studies that aren't funded by…

Look into research and patient treatment results by the likes of Dr Herbert Shelton. There is quite a bit of literature to support caloric restriction and in particular water fasting as ideal treatment option for many diseases once you filter out MSM sources that tell you it's a lie (and in the same page push you ads by Pfizer.. yep, clearly unbiased!)

It's not about who funds the research - there is literally no benefit to confirming that water fasting cures diseases. Nobody in the medical industrial complex would benefit from this. Not even food companies! (because you won't be eating for up to 30 days and then change your consumption habits drastically against mass produced factory food).

Re: Big Tech Is Going After Health Care

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Post by aviv »

nradov wrote: post #147
ams6110 wrote: post #124

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Is this a new thing? When I was a kid, we still had what was called a "family doctor." I'm not sure these really exist anymore. He never hesitated to tell my mom she needed to lose weight or my dad he needed to stop smoking. Maybe the fact that he wasn't a specialist allowed him to be more practical with his advice.

Family doctors (and specialists) still give their patients practical advice lose weight, drink less, eat better, exercise more, and stop smoking every day. Most patients ignore the advice. What more do you expect the doctors to do? If we want people to make better lifestyle choices it's going to take a new system of incentives separate from doctors.

I agree though, by the time a patient makes it to a traditional physician for advice it's pretty much too late in the game. What do you expect from doctors that accumulated a total ~20 hours of nutritional education in their many years in school?

Re: Big Tech Is Going After Health Care

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Post by nradov »

dawhizkid wrote: post #10

As someone who most recently worked in product at a healthcare startup I found the most difficult thing about innovation in the space is the cost of compliance/regulation. When you work in an industry that is so highly regulated, and assuming you are working at a company that follows the rule of law, how do you actually "disrupt" a set of problems in this industry when there is so little wiggle room for doing things…

The Direct Project has an SMTP implementation which allows for emailing medical data in a secure, HIPAA compliant way. http://wiki.directproject.org/SMTP+Implementation+Developmen...

Re: Big Tech Is Going After Health Care

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Post by nradov »

mjfl wrote: post #8

Yeah, nothing's going to happen. Compliance costs are too high for any of Silicon Valley's business models to work.

Obviously that's false. There have been many successful Silicon Valley healthcare companies creating software, drugs, biotech, medical devices, etc. Just drive around and look at the names on some buildings.

Re: Big Tech Is Going After Health Care

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killjoywashere wrote: post #61
jnordwick wrote: post #45

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How about the part where you said: > How many lives did you save today? Zero? Ok, STFU Last time I was at the hospital they seriously asked if I wanted Reiki. If you can get through med school and still believe in that, sorry If I don't have much respect for your education. Doctors and IT people are the two most arrogant professions I've ever come across, and I even work in finance.

Thank you, point partially taken. I deleted the expletives. Have an upvote.

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