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Re: Apple Buys Shazam to Boost Apple Music

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For a company with offices in the most expensive cities in the world $120K is likely closer to the starting salary than the median.

Most of Shazam's engineering is in London. Going rates for engineers in London are way below the valley. Facebook/Google/Apple pay UK engineers about 30-40% less than their US counterparts.

I have it from a first hand account that FB pays 25% less in London than in Menlo Park fwiw.

Re: Apple Buys Shazam to Boost Apple Music

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This is (unfortunately) a huge testament to patenting technology. I remember Shazam shutting down a lot of early iOS apps that provided music discovery services. The technology it’s self became relatively simple in the last 10 years, but their ownership of the patent has kept them on top.

I suspect it’s due to end soon, and they realised once it’s gone they would just become a feature of music streaming services. Good to get out now while there is still some exclusivity for Apple to milk.

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I haven't used apple music before, but spotify's ml recommenders are really impressive, and most of my favorite songs and artists were recommended to me via its "discover weekly" playlist. Its apps are super slick (cross device play/control is really handy!), especially compared to itunes. Just buy a month of premium ($10/month or $5 if you're a student) and try it.

Apple Music has recommendation playlists as well: New Music Mix, Favourites Mix and Chill Mix which all get updated weekly based on your likes/dislikes and existing music collection. I actually find Spotify apps to be far worse than iTunes at least on iOS. And the Apple Watch app for Apple Music is really impressive.

Apple's recommendations can be ridiculous though. When I go to the "For You" tab in their iOS app here is what is shown as I scroll down

1. Favourites mix - i.e. the music I've played the most

2. Recently played - i.e. the music I've played recently

3. Tuesday's Playlists - the first of any real recommendations so far, but 4 of the 9 album covers it shows in the thumbnails are music I've played recently

4. Heavy Rotation - i.e. music I've played a lot, but not just recently

5. Tuesday's Albums - recommendations based on an artist (Waxahatchee) I've listened to

6. Artist Spotlight Playlists - a selection of playlists, including "Influences" and "Inspired By" playlists by artists that I don't listen to and are really unrelated to most of my collection.

7. New Releases

finally there's the wordy stuff I don't care about, social media posts.

Most of this stuff is not even bad ML (like the "Amazon recommends me vaccuum cleaners because I searched for and bought a vaccuum cleaner" problem) it is just literally showing me what I listened to. I've tried the recommended playlists a handful of times and they don't really show me much new things, they remain pretty unchanged in the weeks or so that I check them.

When you throw in the fact that they periodically delete all of the music I've downloaded, and nuked a chunk of my music collection after I signed up ... I have to say, my experience of Apple Music overall is pretty terrible.

Re: Apple Buys Shazam to Boost Apple Music

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Apple Music has recommendation playlists as well: New Music Mix, Favourites Mix and Chill Mix which all get updated weekly based on your likes/dislikes and existing music collection. I actually find Spotify apps to be far worse than iTunes at least on iOS. And the Apple Watch app for Apple Music is really impressive.

Apple's recommendations can be ridiculous though. When I go to the "For You" tab in their iOS app here is what is shown as I scroll down 1. Favourites mix - i.e. the music I've played the most 2. Recently played - i.e. the music I've played recently 3. Tuesday's Playlists - the first of any real recommendations so far, but 4 of the 9 album covers it shows in the thumbnails are music I've played recently 4. Heavy Rota…

Just as a single counterpoint: Spotify has Mixtape of the Week and two similar auto-generated playlists, and the songs in there are at best vaguely related to what I listen to on Spotify - I haven't found anything interesting in there.

The albums I haven't listened to in a while and might want to listen to again according to the app are those I listen to daily.

New releases are not sorted or filtered by genre, so I guess it is great that some pop or reggae artist has a new album out when I only listen to metal on Spotify?

Etc., etc... in other words - I use Spotify for totally unrelated reasons and switched from Google Play Music, but it has all the same faults, it just works better for some part of the target group, but it is in now way perfect, or even good, with regards to their recommendation engine either.

Re: Apple Buys Shazam to Boost Apple Music

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I remember the first time I Shazamed a song. It was during the flip phone era and it was honestly the most magical thing to me at time. I had always wanted something like this, and here it was at my fingertips.

At that time, I wonder if there was any technology actually identifiying the song, or if it was a big mechanical turk sort of operation.

According to Shazam Paper[1] (I can't find publication date), there were nothing fancy, just keypoints extraction on spectrogram. No deep learning with 100 layers or something like that which wouldn't be possible in 2000.

[1] https://www.ee.columbia.edu/~dpwe/papers/Wang03-shazam.pdf

Re: Apple Buys Shazam to Boost Apple Music

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Spotify remains a far better experience and product than Apple Music. Why not buy Spotify?

Apple does not seem to like to do big purchases. Even though they probably could. Spotify is not (yet) profitable so they would probably have to hike up the prices. At this point they are probably better off doing their deals on their own and slowly catch up.

>and slowly catch up.

I don't want to be anti-apple because I like most of their stuff but iTunes is complete garbage compared to Spotify.

With the stuff they have now they will never catch up.

Re: Apple Buys Shazam to Boost Apple Music

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Apple does not seem to like to do big purchases. Even though they probably could. Spotify is not (yet) profitable so they would probably have to hike up the prices. At this point they are probably better off doing their deals on their own and slowly catch up.

>and slowly catch up. I don't want to be anti-apple because I like most of their stuff but iTunes is complete garbage compared to Spotify. With the stuff they have now they will never catch up.

I should probably try Spotify as so many people say it is better than Apple Music (which I do genuinely like). Spotify currently offers 3 months premium subscription for 1€ so it may be worth a shot.

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Um, that's partly wrong. I was born in the latter part of that year and I'm most definitely not 18.

You missed the sarcasm

Missing sarcasm qualifies for a downvote? Last I checked getting sarcasm in this medium is quite hard.

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You missed the sarcasm

Missing sarcasm qualifies for a downvote? Last I checked getting sarcasm in this medium is quite hard.

I didn't say it was right. I was just stating why you were being downvoted.
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