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If your iOS 11 device unexpectedly restarts repeatedly on or after December 2

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Re: If your iOS 11 device unexpectedly restarts repeatedly on or after December 2

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Most of the iOS ui SpringBoard bugs are due to them rewriting the codes in Swift. Many Autolayout bug. Music app can’t even align the play button at center. Also Craig Federighi is busy with Siri, and busy shooting down Note 8 in social media. I was annoyed when the text replacement bug took one beta to solve, where the Calculator bug took 5 or 6 releases to solve. And the third reason is they expect users will activ…

Curious to know more about your claim that rewriting stuff in Swift causes a lot of bugs - got any sources on that?

Rewriting any mostly-working code in any language—even the exact same language—causes bugs.

It’s been that way since the 1960s.

It “has to be done” sometimes, but put that day off as long as possible.

Re: If your iOS 11 device unexpectedly restarts repeatedly on or after December 2

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Sure, like Samsung was burnt at the stake for exploding phones. Clearly this is way worse.

The Samsung battery issue was a Black Swan event; unpredicted, rare and genuinely a surprise to the manufacturer. A bootloop due to a date value is just sloppy.

> genuinely a surprise to the manufacturer

...which came as a result of sloppy quality control...

Re: If your iOS 11 device unexpectedly restarts repeatedly on or after December 2

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This comment is written on 8.4.1... If I need to use a hammer I don't want to have to upgrade it... And when I do upgrade it I don't want the head to fly off or the handle to break when I'm trying to drive a nail.

This comment is written on iOS 6.1.3 on my iPad 2. It might not be able to run most new apps now, but at least it doesn't lag. Plus, the OS actually looks nice.

6 was the absolute peak of their mobile design

Re: If your iOS 11 device unexpectedly restarts repeatedly on or after December 2

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Not to get all "when I was your age we walked uphill both ways and we liked it," but I really do think the frenetic pace of software updates across the whole industry these days is insane. In web software I see companies releasing multiple times per day at the extreme, once a day being more typical, but still nuts. Things like iOS upgrades are obviously less frequent than that but still seem so hurried. Why all the r…

Sadly, the momentum has already built up and people are addicted to the rapid changes. I don't see this practice stopping any time soon.

Re: If your iOS 11 device unexpectedly restarts repeatedly on or after December 2

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I don't get all this anger towards "Apple". Ultimately, this and other recent bugs are human errors and we all make mistakes in our work - most likely due to a lack of time to do their job properly. I think that is the real issue.

Apple built their (iPhone) reputation on "premium" quality and "just works" software. They embraced this. People paid for this. It is expected when one pays so much money for a device that is promised to be a premium device.

Recently, the quality has gone done. The software has more bugs. Apple apologists say wait until .2 or .3 and it'll improve. This takes 4-8 months. So, people are supposed to "enjoy" a crappy experience on their new iDevice for 8 months and then it gets better? I simply don't understand how anyone could argue this.

Re: If your iOS 11 device unexpectedly restarts repeatedly on or after December 2

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This comment is written on 8.4.1... If I need to use a hammer I don't want to have to upgrade it... And when I do upgrade it I don't want the head to fly off or the handle to break when I'm trying to drive a nail.

This comment is written on iOS 6.1.3 on my iPad 2. It might not be able to run most new apps now, but at least it doesn't lag. Plus, the OS actually looks nice.

Yay, a pissing contest on who runs the most old unpatched iOS version. Full with local and remote exploitable holes in the web browser and what not. How can you possibly be proud of such?

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This comment is written on 8.4.1... If I need to use a hammer I don't want to have to upgrade it... And when I do upgrade it I don't want the head to fly off or the handle to break when I'm trying to drive a nail.

What the hell is this??? A hammer analogy? If it ain't broke don't "fix" it. Car analogies only please. (Ironically "if it ain't broke..." doesn't apply to Apple)

I use tools to fix problems in my life. Hammers are one of the simplest tools in existence. When breaking down complexities in my life and looking for solutions I find it helpful to employ design principles which are really just different philosophies to the test possible solutions. Ultimately in an attempt to gain some measure of control over possible emergence. My phone is a tool. It allows me to make and recieve communication events from people I value. In addition it has a number of other features that I find helpful in solving additional problems. That these additional solutions fit within the same small light weight device is of great convenience and subsequently value. However my phone is a tool. The worst thing for a tool to do is for it to fail during use. Tools break and require maintenance. To fail during use however is a serious problem for any tool. Injury and death are likely possible outcomes. More likely are losses potentially very serious losses that in turn could lead to injury or death. For most people their phone failing is of no grave consequence. I imagine these hypothetical individuals are not placed into positions of much responsibility. That however and not too sadly is not my situation. I seek stability, reliability and robustness in any solution I employ. I don't engineer or design with duct tape... I try not to at least, sometimes it fun though. However for critical systems any solution is not just another brick to be added to the solution super structure stack, every solution in fact becomes foundational. We tend to forget all the problems we've encountered so as to bring us to this particular point in time. As such we happily go along fixing problems or whatever and thinking the world has always been that way... Up until something breaks! I live light and move fast, my phone is part of a set of tools that I use to allow me to do what I do. Upgrading it is too much of a risk and time drain to be of much value. The cost of upgrading vastly over shadows the reward and every new shiny feature that breaks something I depend on just makes it that much worse.

In addition,I like my hammer comment for exactly the response you gave. It triggers an almost visceral response in people who are tech literate. Call it subtle trolling if you will, but it's trolling designed to make someone think.

Also, I'm not always a fan of "if it ain't broke don't fix it" it has it's place though. More importantly for me is to have well designed solutions that are easily maintained that work. "Iiabdfi" usually only applies to duct tape systems and it surely is a principle to remember when encountering them.

Re: If your iOS 11 device unexpectedly restarts repeatedly on or after December 2

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You know what would help shit like this? Letting us downgrade iOS. I get it. It means potential security exploits. But at least let us make the choice wether we’d prefer those to shiny new, and different issues that seem to be growing in number. Please? No? Fine, I’ll wait for the jailbreak and collect the goddamn SHSH blobs or whatever, if that’s how far you’ll make me go. My, how lucky you are that GarageBand iOS h…

I'd been an Apple fan and happy iPhone user for ~8 years until I updated my iPhone 6 Plus to iOS 11. My phone went from snappy to crappy. Apple support told me I couldn't go back to iOS 10, so I figured it was time to buy a new phone. My Pixel 2 came Friday.

My Pixel 2 XL comes tomorrow! Shipped a week early.

Re: If your iOS 11 device unexpectedly restarts repeatedly on or after December 2

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Every week I have another reason to be thankful that I didn't upgrade to iOS 11. But those bastards keep downloading the update to my phone and then telling my that I'm running low on free space. Cannot stand the way Apple treats users.

Re: If your iOS 11 device unexpectedly restarts repeatedly on or after December 2

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Thanks, but the point is, the OS shouldn't get in the way of you getting stuff done. That's against Apple's intent which was "making technology disappear so that you can focus on what you're doing, not tweak the tech at your hand".

It's absolutely with the apple ethos of making you upgrade their crap when you don't want or need to. In this case if you have to upgrade AND they can cross sell you, up sell you product you don't want and then also sell access to you to third parties it's the apple living their dream. User experience, that's just bait, surely you've noticed that before now? Security patches need to be entirely separate to performanc…

Not sure why you're being downvoted. I entirely agree with everything you've said.

For anyone not aware, Apple is extremely hostile to device longevity and 3rd party repair [1]. They have had issues with hinge design in MacBooks as well as the Bendgate crisis for the iPhone 6 series.

They bricked phones when people had other repair shops fix their home buttons (Touch ID sensors).

Apple wants to control everything, sell you a device with a short lifespan, and then force upgrades.

1 - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=26cNHSilikI

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