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Re: Introducing the new Snapchat

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Post by aesclepius »

Govannon wrote: post #123
gallerdude wrote: post #78

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I don’t know, isn’t this the same as all social media? I remember reading something along the lines that playing golf is posted on Facebook twice as much as doing the dishes, yet people spend 5x more time doing the dishes. And if we step back from social media, what about regular pictures? They’re supposed to take candid moments of the real world, but even if we’re having a bad day, we smile and act happy for picture…

>what about regular pictures? They’re supposed to take candid moments of the real world I'm not sure that is an accurate representation of photography as a medium, nor has it ever been.

I profoundly disagree, documentary photography is as ever-present and ever-useful as it has been.

Re: Introducing the new Snapchat

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Post by sethhochberg »

cocktailpeanuts wrote: post #129
Kroniker wrote: post #126

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I'm in that age bracket and go to concerts with people in the age bracket. Never seen this behavior in my life. Not even at a shoegaze show!

I'm surprised that you've never seen this behavior. Just go to the nearest nightclub on the weekends and find a group that's doing a bachelorette party or birthday party or something. I see it ALL the time.

Then, promptly find that one nightclub in your city that forbids photos and video... you hopefully have one, and its probably a better time. :)

Re: Introducing the new Snapchat

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Post by chrisdbaldwin »

e12e wrote: post #103
chrisdbaldwin wrote: post #58

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What if I told you that was part of the genius design? This "frustrating design" forces curiosity out of users to discover the app for themselves and encourages them to share these features with friends further augmenting the network effect. Based on which semi-hidden features get shared/used the most, Snap can A/B test faster than you'd imagine.

While I don't think the author thinks it forms an academic quality taxonomy anymore, I do like the ideas in "Players who Suits MUDs": http://mud.co.uk/richard/hcds.htm Especially the idea that lack of friendly ux leads to more communication and cooperation between players. I don't think it's completely unreasonable that forcing network effects in "Mealsgate" (how do I even install pokemon go) might help form stronger…

Snap's game is changing from getting people in the door to keeping them inside. No longer do they need that network effect to get people in the door -- they've escaped orbit. In fact, they're probably discovering that what worked for getting people in is also driving people out, and they've probably got someone with too much influence that is unwilling to accept that churn.

Yes, they can change their design for retention; do not expect it to work.

Re: Introducing the new Snapchat

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Post by VirgilShelton »

gallerdude wrote: post #78
iambateman wrote: post #48

Evan of Snapchat talks about “performing for your friends” as a strange “side effect” of Snapchat. But the instinct to perform is native to the Snapchat medium. I think this is a problem. I went to a concert a few weeks ago. The people beside me would stand still for 10 minutes and then someone would pull out Snapchat. The whole group would turn around, flash a smile and start dancing for the camera. 9 seconds later,…

I don’t know, isn’t this the same as all social media? I remember reading something along the lines that playing golf is posted on Facebook twice as much as doing the dishes, yet people spend 5x more time doing the dishes. And if we step back from social media, what about regular pictures? They’re supposed to take candid moments of the real world, but even if we’re having a bad day, we smile and act happy for picture…

Obviously you’ve never played golf

Re: Introducing the new Snapchat

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Post by bousaid »

eganist wrote: post #4

The anti-social-media stance they're taking is probably well informed given their target audience is growing a substantial aversion to oversharing on the long-lived-net and would rather overshare on the ephemeral-net. Their stock isn't necessarily enjoying it as much as they'd probably hoped. I might speculatively buy in if it seems like it's not a Digg v4

I just bought some - I’m considering snap another case of what Facebook went through. Very well informed about their user, lots of talent working for them, tons of users. However, I think their success will need to come from tailored paid content (also read, they need to collect more data on their users).

Note: this is not investment advice.

Re: Introducing the new Snapchat

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Post by antod »

tim333 wrote: post #135
iambateman wrote: post #48

Evan of Snapchat talks about “performing for your friends” as a strange “side effect” of Snapchat. But the instinct to perform is native to the Snapchat medium. I think this is a problem. I went to a concert a few weeks ago. The people beside me would stand still for 10 minutes and then someone would pull out Snapchat. The whole group would turn around, flash a smile and start dancing for the camera. 9 seconds later,…

People have smiled for the camera since we've had cameras. It's not really a new social media phenomena.

Not in all the really old photos I've seen. Lots of stern serious looks there. Smiles came later.

Re: Introducing the new Snapchat

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Post by thebaer »

Buttes wrote: post #142
thebaer wrote: post #134

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> How do I have an identity when I consistently invite other people - often strangers - to affirm my experiences? This sums it up so perfectly. It precisely explains what I've always failed to when people ask, "why didn't you take pictures of that? or share them on Facebook?" I was just overseas for several weeks and I was able to fully absorb the entire experience because I wasn't worried about what anyone else in t…

Is it easy for mastodon operators to disable?

It might be possible in code to hide it on your own instance, but it'll still be there in the various Mastodon clients, other instances, etc. Without knowing the codebase (but having used the software) it looks like it'd be a major core change to turn it off completely, or change it to something like a private bookmark function.

Re: Introducing the new Snapchat

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Post by __sha3d2 »

anant90 wrote: post #128
finnh wrote: post #117

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This is a great post to read in comparison with iambateman's [0]. You prefer Snapchat because it is a space where you are safe to be yourself, without worrying about parents/uncles/etc seeing you. But iambateman's point is that making videos for our friends is a performative event, and thus drives one to (a) be different from your actual self (more funny/interesting/alive) or, at the very least, to (b) act as you see…

I totally see iambateman's point, and agree with it. As far as inauthenticity goes, I would say that it pervades all aspects of our lives, including real-life interactions, which we can assume to be most authentic, yet at some level inauthentic (almost everyone changes themselves a bit depending on who they're talking to). On this spectrum, the Snapchat experience is a lot more authentic and closer to real-life inter…

> As far as inauthenticity goes, I would say that it pervades all aspects of our lives, including real-life interactions, which we can assume to be most authentic, yet at some level inauthentic (almost everyone changes themselves a bit depending on who they're talking to).

An important and totally missed point! Nice one.

Re: Introducing the new Snapchat

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Post by brandonmenc »

antod wrote: post #156
tim333 wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People have smiled for the camera since we've had cameras. It's not really a new social media phenomena.

Not in all the really old photos I've seen. Lots of stern serious looks there. Smiles came later.

Hard to smile when you had to sit motionless for an hour while the image burned into the film back then.

Re: Introducing the new Snapchat

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Post by wu-ikkyu »

iambateman wrote: post #48

Evan of Snapchat talks about “performing for your friends” as a strange “side effect” of Snapchat. But the instinct to perform is native to the Snapchat medium. I think this is a problem. I went to a concert a few weeks ago. The people beside me would stand still for 10 minutes and then someone would pull out Snapchat. The whole group would turn around, flash a smile and start dancing for the camera. 9 seconds later,…

This McLuhan quote seems quite relevant and prescient to this thread:

>Since Sputnik and the satellites, the planet is enclosed in a manmade environment that ends "Nature" and turns the globe into a repertory theater to be programmed. Shakespeare at the Globe mentioning "All the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players" (As You Like It, Act II, Scene 7) has been justified by recent events in ways that would have struck him as entirely paradoxical. The results of living inside a proscenium arch of satellites is that the young now accept the public spaces of the earth as role-playing areas. Sensing this, they adopt costumes and roles and are ready to "do their thing" everywhere.

-Marshall McLuhan, From Cliché to Archetype, 1970

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