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Re: Firefox Quantum

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Post by terminalcommand »

agumonkey wrote: post #54
Santosh83 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Certainly not the case as far as opening new tabs goes on my machine, an 1.9Ghz with 4Gb RAM. Firefox opens the new tab instantly while Chrome has a noticeable delay. The same with closing tabs, especially heavy ones. Also Chrome takes just a little bit longer to start than the latest Firefox, although I didn't actually measure this. I think the general perception that Chrome is fast is more a group-think at this poi…

Trust me, I use "old" core 2 machines, right now on a 1st gen i5 and I regularly cringe at firefox, whenever I run chrome, something lifts off my mind. I don't charge firefox, it was resetted non long ago, ublock origin and containers (I removed youtube extensions and the likes). Still twitter hungs enough for me to feel annoyed. I'm not a speed addict, I even love slowness when done right [1], but I rate firefox nig…

Did you try firefox quantum? I am also using an "old" machine, first gen i7 mobile processor. Firefox (pre-quantum) was slow for me on windows so I switched to Chrome. But firefox quantum was equally fast if not faster.

Now, I am using firefox 56 on OpenBSD, and it is really really smooth.

Re: Firefox Quantum

#152

Post by kalcode »

sandGorgon wrote: post #67

I have been on Firefox Quantum for the past couple of months. Previously, when I used Chrome on my Dell XPS 13, core i7, 16gb Linux laptop, it used to hang and kill everything almost every week. And suck battery power like no tomorrow. I've not rebooted my laptop in 2 months now and battery life is much much better. Firefox Quantum is pure win.

That's the complete opposite of the way Chrome was designed. I've rarely seen Chrome do a complete lock-up and close everything. The point of Chrome spinning up a new process per tab is that when one Tab crashed it doesn't take out the whole browser.

Firefox on the other hand did this constantly. In fact the only thing that has prevented me going back, and I have regularly given it a try as I support their overall approach and support of web. So I am excited to see how Quantum feels.

But if Chrome was constantly locking up and crashing completely I have to imagine its something wrong with your computer/OS.

Re: Firefox Quantum

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Post by sandGorgon »

kalcode wrote: post #152
sandGorgon wrote: post #67

I have been on Firefox Quantum for the past couple of months. Previously, when I used Chrome on my Dell XPS 13, core i7, 16gb Linux laptop, it used to hang and kill everything almost every week. And suck battery power like no tomorrow. I've not rebooted my laptop in 2 months now and battery life is much much better. Firefox Quantum is pure win.

That's the complete opposite of the way Chrome was designed. I've rarely seen Chrome do a complete lock-up and close everything. The point of Chrome spinning up a new process per tab is that when one Tab crashed it doesn't take out the whole browser. Firefox on the other hand did this constantly. In fact the only thing that has prevented me going back, and I have regularly given it a try as I support their overall ap…

Chrome hang on Linux is extremely common. Check this out https://www.google.co.in/search?q=chrome+hang+linux&oq=chrom...

From what I understand, it has something to do with the way it does memory management along with cache. I don't know - but I have pretty much a flagship laptop and am running Fedora 26 which IMHO is the best OS out there right now.

Chrome blows. Quantum rules.

Re: Firefox Quantum

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Post by dralley »

rufugee wrote: post #108
KozmoNau7 wrote: post #81

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Firefox is way (waaaaay) ahead in the privacy stakes.

You mean the security story is better in Firefox? Can you share some context/details?

Privacy != security.

Chrome is probably more secure, but Firefox does a lot more to help block/prevent fingerprinting and tracking and to enable addons to do it further.

Re: Firefox Quantum

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Post by maho »

Will the canvas mouse input lag also go down? I tried to program some small games once and noticed this was horrible on all my (Windows 7) desktop browsers. Just tried again using this demo [1] (not mine!), and now on Chrome it was OK.

Edit: I just took the plunge and tested the beta (57.0b14). Unfortunately, the input lag did not go down. I think subtle lags like this cause web-apps to feel so uncomfortable for me.

[1] http://jsfiddle.net/Donk/5gXX8/2/embedded/result/

Re: Firefox Quantum

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

mwill wrote: post #116
KozmoNau7 wrote: post #70

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Painful? Nah. Use a combination of windows and tabs to achieve the same grouping. Use the awesome bar to search and switch between tabs, if you need the search functionality. Stop having 100+ tabs open, that's what bookmarks are for. I'm sorry to say that your usage pattern is extremely non-standard and based on the whims of an unpaid extension developer. So you can learn the intended usage pattern for the browser, d…

I'm not at the whims of an add-on developer, I'm at the whims of Mozilla. The new extension API doesn't currently have the control required to make Tab Groups, if it did I would port it myself. I won't go in to my usage specifically but windows tabs and bookmarks doesn't work nearly as well as tab groups for me personally. That's how I did it for years before switching to Firefox, and its painful for my workflow. I u…

"That's how we've always done it".

AKA the most dangerous phrase in the language.

Re: Firefox Quantum

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Post by callahad »

naasking wrote: post #121
toomanybeersies wrote: post #22

Firefox has definitely been getting better over the past year or two. I've always used Firefox, since Chrome doesn't have the ability to scroll through tabs, they just get smaller and smaller on the tab bar. I've never understood why the feature hasn't been added, it seems pretty minor. Firefox also lazy loads existing tabs on startup. Anyway, for a while, around 2011-2012, Firefox had terrible memory and stability i…

> I've never understood why the feature hasn't been added, it seems pretty minor. I don't want it. I don't like Firefox's approach, I much prefer the shrinking tabs paradigm.

We're also experimenting with making it configurable. You can ratchet down `browser.tabs.tabMinWidth` in `about:config` to pack more tabs in per window.

Re: Firefox Quantum

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Post by agumonkey »

terminalcommand wrote: post #151
agumonkey wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trust me, I use "old" core 2 machines, right now on a 1st gen i5 and I regularly cringe at firefox, whenever I run chrome, something lifts off my mind. I don't charge firefox, it was resetted non long ago, ublock origin and containers (I removed youtube extensions and the likes). Still twitter hungs enough for me to feel annoyed. I'm not a speed addict, I even love slowness when done right [1], but I rate firefox nig…

Did you try firefox quantum? I am also using an "old" machine, first gen i7 mobile processor. Firefox (pre-quantum) was slow for me on windows so I switched to Chrome. But firefox quantum was equally fast if not faster. Now, I am using firefox 56 on OpenBSD, and it is really really smooth.

I assumed Quantum was in Nightly (58) isn't it ?

Re: Firefox Quantum

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Post by steveklabnik »

agumonkey wrote: post #158
terminalcommand wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you try firefox quantum? I am also using an "old" machine, first gen i7 mobile processor. Firefox (pre-quantum) was slow for me on windows so I switched to Chrome. But firefox quantum was equally fast if not faster. Now, I am using firefox 56 on OpenBSD, and it is really really smooth.

I assumed Quantum was in Nightly (58) isn't it ?

> Nightly (58)

It depends on when you ran nightly; Quantum is the name for 57+. Sounds like you were using it.

Re: Firefox Quantum

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Post by bwat49 »

dingo_bat wrote: post #41
toomanybeersies wrote: post #22

Firefox has definitely been getting better over the past year or two. I've always used Firefox, since Chrome doesn't have the ability to scroll through tabs, they just get smaller and smaller on the tab bar. I've never understood why the feature hasn't been added, it seems pretty minor. Firefox also lazy loads existing tabs on startup. Anyway, for a while, around 2011-2012, Firefox had terrible memory and stability i…

> I'm surprised more tech people don't use it, considering the tech communities love for power and the ability to customise things. I used to be pretty fanatical about Firefox. But when it got so slow that simple scrolling started dropping frames, I had to switch.

When was the last time you used firefox? There's been a ton of improvements in this area in the past few years (off the main thread compositing, async pan/zoom, e10s etc...). Scrolling is now smooth even when pages are loading, or there's activity in other tabs etc...

I actually use Firefox over Chrome on my xps 13, mainly because firefox's scrolling is considerably smoother than chrome (only beaten out by Edge)

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