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Re: Soylent can no longer ship to Canada

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Post by freeflight »

d0lph wrote: post #102
freeflight wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm having problems understanding why would anyone want to consume something like that. Nothing of what Soylent Green does is new, companies like Fresenius, Nestle, Abbot and whatnot have been manufacturing balanced liquid nutrition for medical needs for decades. I'm far more surprised these established players in the enteral nutrition market haven't started their own push for something like this, trying to sell th…

Do you have any examples of products that are meant to be a meal replacement, and that contain all necessary nutrients? > random guys buying bulk ingredients on Amazon and mixing them up in moldy warehouses Is this based on something, because I highly doubt they are sourcing ingredients from amazon, this is needlessly inflammatory. And moldy warehouses, do you really have so little to say about Soylent you have to ma…

> Do you have any examples of products that are meant to be a meal replacement, and that contain all necessary nutrients?

The tube feeds [0] are pretty much exactly that. Those Fresenius ones are not flavored but other manufacturers, like HiPP/Abbot, even have flavored tube feed, as some tube patients like having the flavor come up when they have to burp.

A step closer are the "nutritional supplements", which is a weird name for it in German we call it "Trinknahrung" which literally translates to "liquid nutrition". These are usually flavored and come in a variety of forms, like powder or even puddings.

I've "eaten" the stuff sometimes for diet or after tooth operations, it's pretty okayish when cold, like a milkshake. The biggest issue is that you have to be really careful about how fast you drink it until your digestive system adapted to the high-calorie contents, as drinking too much too fast will also make it come out too fast, so to speak.

[0] http://www.fresenius-kabi.co.uk/4347.htm

Re: Soylent can no longer ship to Canada

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Post by ufmace »

ssijak wrote: post #105

I always hated Soylent. Their bold and false marketing (things like "We solved nutrition.", "Complete nutrition no matter which flavor you choose."). If it was me, I would ban them everywhere, not just Canada, because of that false advertising. It is one thing, making a drink and selling it, and another marketing it like that. It was very painful from the start listening how 2 guys with no background SOLVED NUTRITION…

> If you need occasional meal replacement, there are dozens of well-established companies which make one, with much better quality and price in both liquid or powder form.

Can you name one? In all of these threads, the Soylent boosters assert that there aren't any competitors that come near being a genuine meal replacement that aren't much more expensive. I haven't seen any Soylent detractors name a specific product that's better yet.

Re: Soylent can no longer ship to Canada

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Post by YeGoblynQueenne »

mcv wrote: post #145
qyv wrote: post #125

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If you read the link these rules only apply to labeling for anything marked as a "Meal Replacement" product, like soylent.

So if Soylent changes the label, they're fine?

Even if this got them over regulatory problems, they're still in the business of selling meal replacements. What are they going to market their products, as? Dessert? Meal supplement? Their whole business is about selling you all you need to eat.

Re: Soylent can no longer ship to Canada

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Post by YeGoblynQueenne »

riffraff wrote: post #123
rhinoceraptor wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's only true if you have the peculiar western idea that meat is just the lean muscle tissue of the animal. If you count bone marrow, brain, organ meats, blood, etc. an animal is pretty high fat.

the problem is that "animal" was not the most common food anyway, overshadowed by plants, not that it doesn't contain enough fat. EDIT: I'm also not sure about this western culture bias you're talking about, I am italian and we eat innards, blood and marrow. I am fairly sure every culture in europe does.

Not every culture in Europe, I'm afraid. English people have a pretty strong aversion towards "offal" (innards). I live in the UK (I'm originally from Greece) and it's impossible to find any trachea or lungs, let alone small intestines for some traditional dishes I really miss (g. kokoretsi, gardoumba).

You can find hearts, livers, kidneys and stomachs, but except for chicken livers, pretty much only in halal (i.e. middle easterner) butchers, as far as I can tell.

Edit: Most English also tend to find blood saussages disturbing. There's black pudding, a blood sausage they make oop north, in Yorkshire, but people under the north-south divide won't go near it with a ten-foot pole.

And you should just see the expressions of disgust towards haggis (a Scottish dish made with innards and quaker oats).

Re: Soylent can no longer ship to Canada

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Post by DanBC »

retox wrote: post #25
ovao wrote: post #21

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Regulation of food products to some degree is critical to help prevent contamination and illness. In this case, Canada's regulations appear to be simply outdated and, perhaps, overly draconian.

I understand the need for regulations, especially in food and drugs, but when it comes to things like regulating the amount of fat/sugar/fiber I can't think of any reason other than an attitude of 'mommy knows best'. Thank you for taking the time to reply.

> like regulating the amount of fat/sugar/fiber

But only for products marketed as meal replacements. Soylent is not only advertised as a meal replacement, but as a sole source of nutrition.

These are moving towards products with medical use, so obviously there's going to be some regulation.

Re: Soylent can no longer ship to Canada

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Post by jm2721 »

jsjohnst wrote: post #134
mrleinad wrote: post #131

A bit off-topic, but food related: visited the US a month ago and noticed that almost _everything_ contains corn syrup. What's the deal with that? How come most things (even a plain pot of honey) gets it mixed with the rest of the ingredients? Is it because of cost saving for the manufacturers, or are there some health benefits from consuming corn syrup? Please ignore if this comment is too offtopic for this thread.

Cost savings. Corn subsidies have dropped the real cost of corn so much that it’s cheaper to use it for almost anything. HFCS (and corn syrup in general) is more harmful health wise than normal sugars and one of the leading causes of obesity in the US. One of thousands of sources on the health impacts: http://m.ajcn.nutrition.org/content/79/4/537.full

I wouldn't say HFCS is more harmful than regular sugar, it is chemically about the same (at least the kind of HFCS used in most foods and sugary beverages). Both are equally bad. When we talk about the leading causes of obesity in the US, we shouldn't differentiate HFCS from sugar, because that just gives food manufacturers an easy out: they can add labels saying "No High Fructose Corn Syrup!" and use sugar instead, rendering the product equally toxic but making it look healthier. They're already doing this, which is why most people understand that HFCS is a problem but are ok with regular sugar.

Re: Soylent can no longer ship to Canada

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Post by YeGoblynQueenne »

freeflight wrote: post #39
cisanti wrote: post #17

Are that kind of drinks popular in North America and if, then why..? I'm having problems understanding why would anyone want to consume something like that.

> I'm having problems understanding why would anyone want to consume something like that. Nothing of what Soylent Green does is new, companies like Fresenius, Nestle, Abbot and whatnot have been manufacturing balanced liquid nutrition for medical needs for decades. I'm far more surprised these established players in the enteral nutrition market haven't started their own push for something like this, trying to sell th…

Er, it's "Soylent" - not "Soylent Green". Soylent Green is, infamously, made of people:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zAFA-hamZ0

:)

Re: Soylent can no longer ship to Canada

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Post by d0lph »

mcguire wrote: post #140
d0lph wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have any examples of products that are meant to be a meal replacement, and that contain all necessary nutrients? > random guys buying bulk ingredients on Amazon and mixing them up in moldy warehouses Is this based on something, because I highly doubt they are sourcing ingredients from amazon, this is needlessly inflammatory. And moldy warehouses, do you really have so little to say about Soylent you have to ma…

Their initial setup was filmed. https://pando.com/2013/11/12/vice-investigates-soylent-finds...

I thought it was a bit sketchy you linked to an article about an article, instead of the directly linking to the article itself.

> A few of the packets were infested with mold, but that didn't bother me; I was a beta tester after all, and the packaging hadn't been finalized yet. It'd gotten punctured en route somehow, and moisture had got in—which did highlight its vulnerability to mold, an important point given that Rob touts its non-spoiling benefits as a solution to sending nutritious food to far-flung places.

So, while they were developing their product, in beta stage a few packets got moldy? That's what beta is for! Finding these issues, then resolving them.

Kinda funny reading the original article clears all this up, unlike the propaganda piece you posted.

Re: Soylent can no longer ship to Canada

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Post by Siecje »

jsjohnst wrote: post #144
iraphael wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US produces a lot of corn, so it is cheap. And corn syrup is a sugar-substitute, so including it in everything makes things taste more addictive. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bliss_point_(food)

One important fact to add is that corn is the #1 subsidized commodity in the US, so it’s artifically inflated to being over produced. The subsidies are like 2:1 to the next most subsidized commodity.

I thought most of the corn is used for Ethanol fuel and corn for anything else would be expensive. Why sell it to someone for corn syrup when you can sell it to someone to make engine fuel?
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