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Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Post by gkya »

ausjke wrote: post #68

32-bit installer images are no longer provided for Ubuntu Desktop. The Ubuntu Desktop now uses GNOME instead of Unity. On supported systems, Wayland is now the default display server. The older display server is still available: just choose Ubuntu on Xorg from the cog on the log in screen. GDM has replaced LightDM as the default display manager. The login screen now uses virtual terminal 1 instead of virtual terminal…

> The Ubuntu GNOME flavor has been discontinued. If you are using Ubuntu GNOME, you will be upgraded to Ubuntu. Choose the Ubuntu session from the cog on the login screen if you would like the default Ubuntu experience.

Installing "gnome-session" should provide the default GNOME desktop (the default GNOME is a heavily modified one). I have not upgraded yet, so have not tried, but read on OMGUbuntu.

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Post by fmoralesc »

jhasse wrote: post #71
joelthelion wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been using Gnome on Wayland as my primary desktop on Arch and Fedora for several months if not a year. It's a marked improvement over Gnome/Xorg, and most of the issues have now been resolved. You might need to find new ways to accomplish a few tasks, though. But I can attest it works. Edit: fix desktop/compositor confusion

Did it crash yet? That has been the blocker for me so far, since on wayland GNOME Shell crashes will bring down the whole session.

gnome-shell in 3.26 can be reloaded, so in case it crashes it shouldn't take down the session anymore, I think.

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Post by e1ven »

rmu09 wrote: post #50
revelation wrote: post #33

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This is just such a shambles. Great idea number 1: let's put all the functionality into one command line tool, and we'call it ip for ... "internet protocol"? Why is this ip tool managing my ethernet network card? Great idea number 2: for this powerful swiss army knife, only a special syntax will do where we repeat the name of an argument before the argument value. To make sure no one can use it's functionality with l…

This tool is hardly new, I think it was introduced back in the nineties. http://linux-ip.net/gl/ip-cref/ says April 14, 1999.

When it comes to standard unix tools, a part of me still feels 1999 is rather new. :)

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Post by gigatexal »

oblio wrote: post #77
ausjke wrote: post #68

32-bit installer images are no longer provided for Ubuntu Desktop. The Ubuntu Desktop now uses GNOME instead of Unity. On supported systems, Wayland is now the default display server. The older display server is still available: just choose Ubuntu on Xorg from the cog on the log in screen. GDM has replaced LightDM as the default display manager. The login screen now uses virtual terminal 1 instead of virtual terminal…

> Python 2 is no longer installed by default. Python 3 has been updated to 3.6. And so it begins. I think/hope that the next RHEL will do the same thing, at which point the final nail will be in Py2's coffin.

I love, love, love python. I am probably irrational in my affection for the language. But it's python3 that I know and will work in python2 if needed but I think python2 needs to die a quick death.

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Post by bandrami »

geofft wrote: post #108
vmp wrote: post #14

> ifupdown has been deprecated in favor of netplan and is no longer present on new installs [...] > Given that ifupdown is no longer installed by default, its commands will not be present: ifup and ifdown are thus unavailable, replaced by ip link set $device up and ip link set $device down. Sad to see this go; I always use ifup, ifdown and ifconfig. Yes, they're old and clunky tools but in a way they are the staple o…

> ifup and ifdown are thus unavailable, replaced by ip link set $device up and ip link set $device down. That's weird, they do two very different things. ifup and ifdown apply / unapply the configuration in /etc/network/interfaces, like setting IP addresses, setting routes, running other commands you might have like configuring card-specific hardware things or sending notifications to other processes, etc. ip link se…

A tool is a tool, but holy hell do I hate ip's and iw's syntax, and the difficulty of automatically parsing their output compared to net-tools.

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Post by bandrami »

sspiff wrote: post #89
reacweb wrote: post #38

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I have bought a new desktop this spring. The first thing I did was configuring wake on lan (in France, we have 7 days to cancel a purchase). The second one was to configure ssh and gnome to be able to administer it remotely (line DisallowTCP=false in /etc/gdm3/custom.conf). I use Linux at work since 1999 and I have used a local display less than 1% of the time. An application that does not work remotely does not exis…

I use my Linux desktop through VNC roughly 50% of the time I'm using it (though, honestly, most of the time I work locally on my laptop). It's convenient to have access to the desktop session I left running the night before remotely if I want to. I mostly use it to sync files/code I forgot to upload when I quit the last time, or to start a download on Steam or something like that. I'm sure Wayland will eventually sup…

Yeah, but VNC is light years behind X11-over-network in so many ways. You have to have a full desktop instead of a single application. It's not integrated with your selection buffers or your session manager or your desktop. It's really a blunt object in comparison to X.

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Post by krisdol »

gigatexal wrote: post #154
oblio wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Python 2 is no longer installed by default. Python 3 has been updated to 3.6. And so it begins. I think/hope that the next RHEL will do the same thing, at which point the final nail will be in Py2's coffin.

I love, love, love python. I am probably irrational in my affection for the language. But it's python3 that I know and will work in python2 if needed but I think python2 needs to die a quick death.

No kind of death at this point would be considered quick for python2

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Post by Bromskloss »

gigatexal wrote: post #154
oblio wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Python 2 is no longer installed by default. Python 3 has been updated to 3.6. And so it begins. I think/hope that the next RHEL will do the same thing, at which point the final nail will be in Py2's coffin.

I love, love, love python. I am probably irrational in my affection for the language. But it's python3 that I know and will work in python2 if needed but I think python2 needs to die a quick death.

I've been looking forward to Python 4 for a long time now.

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Post by gigatexal »

Bromskloss wrote: post #158
gigatexal wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love, love, love python. I am probably irrational in my affection for the language. But it's python3 that I know and will work in python2 if needed but I think python2 needs to die a quick death.

I've been looking forward to Python 4 for a long time now.

Has there been anything posted about it? I'd be interested to read up on it.

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Post by jejones3141 »

I read that Canonical didn't like having to fiddle with lightdm to make it work and play well with GNOME shell, and thus Ubuntu 17.10 comes with gdm3. My upgrade went south, so I installed Kubuntu. It's using sddm, which I understand is the successor to kdm. Now I find that Gnome under X just hangs. Does GNOME shell require either gdm or something hacked as Canonical did lightdm to work?
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