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Re: Problems with MacBook butterfly switch keyboards

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Post by jjrrmm »

saurik wrote: post #59
reustle wrote: post #28

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> Keys do have issues weekly or so, but that's resolved by hitting the key a bunch I've been considering moving to a 12 MacBook but hearing stuff like this scares me

Yeah. I'm just shocked by how much people are willing to just deal with as if it is normal or something. I have a friend who recently told me they are surprised as how much I hate my 12" MacBook as they are loving theirs... and then a little later they tell me that the O key on their keyboard doesn't work half the time and just... I just don't even... wtf. I swear all the people who love these new computers must just…

I have two Macbooks from 2015 and none hat any key issues whatsoever.

Re: Problems with MacBook butterfly switch keyboards

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Post by dep_b »

kumarvvr wrote: post #137
slowmovintarget wrote: post #117

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The answer is simple. They no longer had someone that would tell them "No, redo it." It's also why we have a notch on the iPhone X.

The notch is extremely ugly and unApple. Its seriously messed up. When Steve Jobs passed on, I read a blog post by someone saying (in response to a bad, pretentious ad from Apple targeting Samsung, the one which had a condescending tone belitttling Samsung users rather than showing what the iPhone has) that it would take years before Apple screwed up its product line, but only about a year or so until they screw thei…

Literally every mouse Apple ever did since....1998? was not something I'd ever use. Didn't like the external keyboards the gave me either but they were less awful. If there's any aspect ever that still having Steve Jobs around would not help in it's the input devices. Though the touch pads on laptops are still the best in their class.

Re: Problems with MacBook butterfly switch keyboards

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Post by akvadrako »

nrclark wrote: post #5

My work gave me one of the 2016 15" MBPs as my main computer, and the keyboard is horrible. My V key double-presses about half the time, and the rest of the keys are really hard to press down all the way. Some of the keys make a weird metal rattle when I press them. Typing on that wretched keyboard for more than an hour or so literally bruises my fingers. Since I do most of my day-to-day work at a dock with an extern…

What you are describing is a broken or dirty keyboard. First of all, the new MBP requires compressed air for cleaning under the keys. If that doesn't work, they will repair it under warranty.

Re: Problems with MacBook butterfly switch keyboards

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Post by burningcore »

audunw wrote: post #134
nrclark wrote: post #5

My work gave me one of the 2016 15" MBPs as my main computer, and the keyboard is horrible. My V key double-presses about half the time, and the rest of the keys are really hard to press down all the way. Some of the keys make a weird metal rattle when I press them. Typing on that wretched keyboard for more than an hour or so literally bruises my fingers. Since I do most of my day-to-day work at a dock with an extern…

> Who the hell decided that programmers don't need a functional ESC key or permanent function keys? I'm still amazed that there are programmers that complain about this. As a programmer, I've avoided ESC and the function keys for years before the touchbar came out. Apple has even had a built-in option in Mac OS to remap ESC to Caps Lock, for quite a while now. And considering how conservative Apple is when it comes t…

>I'm still amazed that there are programmers that complain about this.

You shouldn't be. Not sure about Mac. But all the big IDEs - MS Visual Studio, all the JetBrains products, Eclipse, Netbeans, etc use function keys in their default key bindings.

True, functionkey row is not suitable for ergonomic typing, BUT it is not used for ergonomic typing. It's used for... well special functions!

Re: Problems with MacBook butterfly switch keyboards

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Post by danpalmer »

I quite enjoy typing on the new keyboard (2017 MBP), and have not had any issues.

My only minor criticism would be that the up and down arrows are a little tricky to hit quickly without looking, but it's really minor for me.

Overall, in my experience, this was a solid upgrade on the previous keyboard (which I had to use a few days ago to prepare my old MBP to be sold).

Re: Problems with MacBook butterfly switch keyboards

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Post by ggus »

dang wrote: post #118
ux-app wrote: post #52

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stop making excuses for Apple's dumb decisions. With physical buttons I can find a key by feel just by running my fingers across the top row. Good luck accurately hitting any button on that stupid little touch screen.

> stop making excuses for Apple's dumb decisions. This breaks the HN guidelines by being uncivil as well as uncharitable in the sense requested here: "Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize." Your comment would be fine without that first bit. Would you mind reading https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and following the gui…

still it adds that small something to the comment. we humans adapt to things, we try to make excuses for our (and our friend's) errors. we try to come up with solutions.

that unpolite remark underlines the issue pretty well: one one side there is a solution, on the other side there is a poor implemented idea

Re: Problems with MacBook butterfly switch keyboards

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Post by danpalmer »

nrclark wrote: post #5

My work gave me one of the 2016 15" MBPs as my main computer, and the keyboard is horrible. My V key double-presses about half the time, and the rest of the keys are really hard to press down all the way. Some of the keys make a weird metal rattle when I press them. Typing on that wretched keyboard for more than an hour or so literally bruises my fingers. Since I do most of my day-to-day work at a dock with an extern…

> Who the hell decided that programmers don't need a functional ESC key or permanent function keys?

a) I'm a developer, I do not use traditional function keys and would much rather have media keys, etc.

b) This laptop is not just for programmers. It is designed for many people, many of whom could benefit significantly (applications in video/music editing look very useful).

Re: Problems with MacBook butterfly switch keyboards

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Post by akvadrako »

FabHK wrote: post #104
Zanni wrote: post #88

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If you're damaging your keys and hurting your fingers, you may be typing too hard for the keyboard. I'm not suggesting that that's your fault, just that there may be a mismatch between your preferred typing style and Apple's. I looked at the 12" Macbook when they first came out and was attracted by the small form factor but completely turned off by the keyboard's almost non-existent key travel. I much preferred the h…

"You're typing it wrong"

Um, yes. Typing is a skill; they even have classes in it. You certainly should never be pressing hard enough to cause pain.

Re: Problems with MacBook butterfly switch keyboards

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Post by addicted »

threeseed wrote: post #65
crispinb wrote: post #43

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> For development it is amazing. I have dedicated buttons for Build, Run, Debug, Stop, Step Into and Step Over I have these in IntelliJ as standard key combos (some being Fn keys). All of these I can touch type. I can't see how this would be improved by having to look down at the mini-screen at the top of the keyboard.

You can use it for things wouldn't normally remember or that require arcane key commands. Two buttons I use are to Expand/Collapse All Code Folds.

You can always remap arcane key commands to an F key, for example.

And if it’s a rarely used key then why would you put it on a premium area and not simply access it from the menu bar anyways?

And using Visual studio I already use F keys for run/build/pause/debug/step into/out/over and furthermore even get tactical feedback.

How does the touchbar improve on any of that?

One way I could see the touch bar being useful would be if it displayed functionality from the non foreground apps (so for example if I have safari open, it allowed me to execute a command on terminal in the background without needing to bring terminal to the foreground, much like how music controls work). But from what I understand, this is explicitly prohibited. Does BTT allow for such behavior?

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