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Google Pixel 2 and 2 XL announced

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Re: Google Pixel 2 and 2 XL announced

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$649/$849 it looks like a nice phone, but i have a hard time understanding how it's 5-7x better than my xiaomi.

Well, for a device that is basically the primary device for the vast majority of people to conduct their lives, that are expected to have useful lives of about 2 years, i.e. ~750 days, $400-$500 more may absolutely be worth even a slight improvement, as long as you can afford it.

> $400-$500 more may absolutely be worth even a slight improvement, as long as you can afford it.

The problem is, the Nexus series showed us that Google can release a high quality phone at 1/2 the price of the rest of the market, and keep it updated and running fast for years.

There is obviously more money in selling phones at market rate.

Re: Google Pixel 2 and 2 XL announced

#153
The € price is ridiculously higher than the $ price. The smaller pixel costs 799€ which includes 19% of taxes (in Germany), the 649$ does not contain taxes. Still that's a difference of 150€ on top of my hat. There's also a fee which manufactures have to pay (GEMA which collects money for artists and so on). Guess they also include that Google Home Mini in this price which is kinda dumb. Not going to buy with such a huge price bump

Re: Google Pixel 2 and 2 XL announced

#154

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I understand that's the case now - I did say "the way of the future". I believe wireless will become the standard everywhere (for everyday use, at least). Any transition like that is going to be awkward at first. If people tried to wait for perfect conditions, progress would never be made.

Wifi didn't replace Ethernet after many years. Even wifi has become much more reliable, faster and cheaper, Ethernet is always several steps better. Pushing progress is not an excuse to force transition with cost and effort burden on customers.

But does every networked device have ethernet these days? My laptop doesn't, nor does my phone. There are some contexts where Ethernet is more appropriate, but that doesn't mean it's more appropriate everywhere.

> Pushing progress is not an excuse to force transition with cost and effort burden on customers.

You can't make progress without doing some of that.

Re: Google Pixel 2 and 2 XL announced

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I think (good implementations of) wireless headphones are the way of the future. What did they gain by removing floppy disk drives from laptops? Well, nothing per se, but it allowed them to make smaller laptops. Removing the jack will allow them to make phones thinner - if not now, in future iterations. And the thing with keeping features around is that it's not just a question of that one feature. It's cumulative ov…

When they removed floppy drives it was because there was a better alternative. I don’t agree that Bluetooth is a better alternative than a cord that is 100% reliable to pair, perfect audio quality, and never needs to be charged

You can still do that. You just need an adapter. The rest of us will be happy to sacrifice quality we can hardly recognize for better mobility.

Also, this already happened with the Ethernet port.

Re: Google Pixel 2 and 2 XL announced

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I wish Google would do a mid range Pixel, or call it something else if they want, just something like a follow up to the 5x.

I think this is what the Moto X4 is. https://www.blog.google/products/project-fi/project-fi-welco...

Does it get updates as fast as a Nexus/Pixel?

Re: Google Pixel 2 and 2 XL announced

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Which is meaningless. They have declared themselves the standard but that number doesn’t actually measure anything. I mean the fact they sell cameras alone means they’re not unbiased. https://daringfireball.net/linked/2017/09/22/dxo-ratings-are... Wait for real camera reviews.

John Gruber's stance on DXO is utterly meaningless, and it's farcical that you seriously cite it. Measuring the technical capabilities of an imaging device is patently obvious and justifiable. From dynamic range to optical and electronic resolution, noise at different light levels, etc. You can question their methodology, but saying that it "doesn't measure anything" is nonsense, and citing a guy who laughably claims…

Did you read that blog post? He was criticizing DXO for giving the iPhone 8 the highest score ever, not defending Apple. How do you objectively measure bokeh effects? And if you're so defensive of DXO, can you explain why their photo subscores range from 51-89 but that adds up to a 96?

Re: Google Pixel 2 and 2 XL announced

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As an audio engineer, the headphone jack removal trend is an absolute travesty in an industry that utilizes AUX IN audio capabilities night after night. I'm often using iPods or other local-music devices to pump sound into concert venues between acts. Taking away 1/8" audio standards in favor of USB-C or Lightning non-standardized ports causes chaos when needing to fill in music in a pinch. In my industry, I simply c…

I wonder how many customers they will lose because of this decision? What I don't actually understand is what exactly is gained by its removal? It doesn't seem to be a limiting factor in either thinness or waterproofing, which are the only two I can think of. I know I for one will never buy a phone with no headphone jack.

Its a dealbreaker for me. Otherwise, I would have considered the phone. I use my headphone jack nearly every day. I have a nice pair of Shure earphones that I use. I have no desire to get some wireless earphones. The headphone jack is small, durable, and ubiquitous. Removing it is idiotic.
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