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>The military has better precision, only because they buy better hardware. That's not true. Military receivers can use the Y Code which is encrypted for military use only. There are some really fancy civilian receivers out there that can leverage Y code to a limited extent without knowing the encryption key but full accuracy is only possible on a military receiver that can decrypt and use the Y code.
is there any reason to be even more accurate than a 5 meter radius? I mean, if you are targeting a person in a building, i can't see why it has to be more accurate than that. Navigation of a drone that is less than 5 meters in size may require higher accuracy, i suppose...
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#152>will give the next generation of smartphones 30-centimeter accuracy instead of today’s 5-meters Didn't the US scramble the civilian signals specifically so it wouldn't be too accurate? And they're just okay with civilians having access to ultra accurate GPS receivers?
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#154I wonder if we'll see these in Microsoft's 2018 HoloLens. 1ft accuracy + spatial mapping = a global spatial mesh with countless commercial applications.
Photogrammetry is what humans do, and it doesn't cost billions of dollars.
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I've run into a severe issue with Fitbit's app on the iPhone 7. On my older iPhone, the mile counts were reasonably accurate. On the 7, there's a spurious ~2 miles per hour added at all times. My guess is that the 7's chip updates position much more frequently, so that small inaccuracies (a couple dozen feet west, then a couple dozen feet east on the next update) make it look like I'm sprinting all over the place in…
Were you using only the phone and not a Fitbit tracker? If so it's only going off steps, not GPS. https://help.fitbit.com/articles/en_US/Help_article/1875#Mon... If the terrain forced you to take a lot of shorter steps then that explains it. In 6 hours of normal steps you'd expect to walk about 18 miles.
Standing still for a break still makes my mileage go up, and I can see the blue dot on the map in the Fitbit app jitter around a little - a few feet here, a few feet there.
Here's an example of the generated map: https://imgur.com/a/yoqei
(That's a ~5 mile hike in actual mileage - and you can see the issue very clearly between "miles" 4 and 5 on the map, where we likely took a long break, and in the longer distance between the downhill miles as we were moving faster)
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#156Accuracy vs Precision. So they can pin your position to within 30 centimeters, but how small of changes can be detected? Can they detect relative movement on the order of 1cm or less? that would be really useful for some things. For example if you wanted to measure the distance between 2 points on the ground, you don't care about offsets but do care about precision.
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The technology in good receivers like the Piksi is slowly drifting into consumer-level hardware. You need to correct for such errors as:
1. Jitter in the code phase vs. phase-locked-loop. As the article describes, most existing codes are long and slow, with bandwidths on the order of 300 m (specifically, 1.023 MHz). The receiver can measure the exact time at which this code changes to get your existing resolution, but the L5/E5 bands are at 20 MHz.
2. Integer offsets when interpreting the carrier frequency. The above slow codes are transmitted on a carrier at 1-2 GHz, giving much higher resolution, but there's no information in the signal as to which particular node of the carrier frequency you're observing. Comparing to a known location, and improving your guess over time, can let you make use of this information.
3. Unknown, slowly drifting ionospheric delay. Typically fixed in industrial or agricultural applications by using a base station and radio link to tell your remote link that the base station (which is bolted to a big chunk of concrete) is now reporting that it's 20 cm from where it was an hour ago, and the remote unit should probably just adjust any measurements by that much.
I only have enough knowledge of the system to be dangerous, but I've wondered whether it would be possible to correct for #3 at a consumer level with a phone app. If you had thousands of phones cooperating in a city, at any given time many would be stationary, even charging or on wifi, and you could theoretically trade off roles as reference base stations and remote receivers. I think it would require a lot more low-level access to the GPS chip than generic Apple/Android phones give you, but it's an idea - feel free to take it and run if you like it.
To answer the basic question - common NMEA protocol returns GPS data with latitude formatted as DDMM.MMMMM (Degrees, minutes, and decimal minutes) and longitude in DDDMM.MMMMM format. Four digits of precision get you a precision of about 1.6 meters, depending on where you are on the Earth, but that doesn't mean you have that level of accuracy.
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#157Accuracy vs Precision. So they can pin your position to within 30 centimeters, but how small of changes can be detected? Can they detect relative movement on the order of 1cm or less? that would be really useful for some things. For example if you wanted to measure the distance between 2 points on the ground, you don't care about offsets but do care about precision.
>Can they detect relative movement on the order of 1cm or less? The short answer is no, largely due to localised ionospheric conditions. The longer answer is yes, GNSS systems can be enhanced in accuracy using RTK [0][1]. This allows for precision on the order of 1cm, but requires a (rather expensive) fixed position base station to provide corrections. Surveyors, precision ag, and other large machine control (think d…
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#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
>The military has better precision, only because they buy better hardware. That's not true. Military receivers can use the Y Code which is encrypted for military use only. There are some really fancy civilian receivers out there that can leverage Y code to a limited extent without knowing the encryption key but full accuracy is only possible on a military receiver that can decrypt and use the Y code.
is there any reason to be even more accurate than a 5 meter radius? I mean, if you are targeting a person in a building, i can't see why it has to be more accurate than that. Navigation of a drone that is less than 5 meters in size may require higher accuracy, i suppose...
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You can see how off the trace can be here: https://i.imgur.com/eHJI8FH.jpg . You could probably do some smoothing to help fit some of this to a street but I've been on runs where I zig zag down streets just to add distance or to do hills.
Wow, that's pretty horrible, must be giving you close to twice the actual distance. I think Google Maps on my phone applies some smoothing that does this a lot better, but then it can lag for a while when I'm going sharp right in an intersection. Maybe try telling it that you're biking instead, my guess is they do more smoothing the higher speed they expect.
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#160>will give the next generation of smartphones 30-centimeter accuracy instead of today’s 5-meters Didn't the US scramble the civilian signals specifically so it wouldn't be too accurate? And they're just okay with civilians having access to ultra accurate GPS receivers?
I don't see the point. You can just use a bigger bomb to overcome the inaccuracy.