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Sure but I don't think a mother breastfeeding their child being called "nursing" is the reason
Look at this tree! It's lovely and the only one in the forest.
Oh no! I'm losing fake points that don't matter!
Google Sued by 3 Female Ex-Employees Who Say It Pays Women Less Than Men
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Re: Google Sued by 3 Female Ex-Employees Who Say It Pays Women Less Than Men
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Hahahaha it's funny because "nursing" is a gendered term for a class of front-line medical occupation that is almost certain to be vital to the provisioning of cost-effective health care in the 21st century where it is vitally important that we both raise the status of the profession to get more people into the labor force to do it and also to raise its status among consumers so less people have to wait for ludicrous…
I think you agreed nursing is gendered in favor of females.. no one complains about that. Construction jobs are gendered in favor of males.. no one complains about that. So if 20% CS majors are women, and 20% programming jobs are held by women why is that a travesty? Why do we call diversity initiatives to increase the hiring proportion of one group ABOVE what is naturally expected fair rather than unfair? If they ar…
Because feminists don't consider nursing and construction to be jobs worth fighting over. They have a target on lucrative tech jobs and corporate leadership positions due to being inside air conditioned buildings with high status, and high pay. Nobody is going to be fighting to be a coal miner.
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#153One of the women suing complained that a man was hired a level above her with the same years of experience. They both had four years experience. I joined one of the big 4 eight years into my career. Similar to her I was placed at an entry level position. When I started I saw that I had the same ability as people higher than me. I made sure that I displayed that ability to my peers and manager. And what do you know, I…
Everyone who worked at Google or a company like Google knows that 90% of people do a job well below their skills. That's how it is in those places. To sue them because you have back-end skills, but you were doing front end is laughable. There are so many PhDs in ML there writing SQL queries, or PhDs in CS changing the color of some text for an A/B test. That's how it works in the best companies in the world. You get…
This is actually very helpful to know, thank you.
Re: Google Sued by 3 Female Ex-Employees Who Say It Pays Women Less Than Men
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In every single industry and craft, those with more work experience are typically paid more than whose with less. There is little difference between "experience programming during a job" and "experience programming for fun". It is the same activity. So of course those with more experience should be expected (on average) to better than those with less. Of course those who seek out more experience due to passion will (…
> In every single industry and craft, those with more work experience are typically paid more than whose with less. This isn't true. Those who do more with their work experience are paid more. We all know engineers who have been at the same company for over a decade, but have practically nothing to show for it. There is an enormous disparity between engineers. There's a reason why Google and Facebook allow engineers…
Well I agree that hours don't always equate to value, in many cases they don't for the reasons you pointed out. Ultimately it matters what kind of experience you have and how valuable that is in a given context.
My point was if I had to pick one broad generalization - "value increases as hours increase", "value is independent of hours", "value decreases as hours increase" - it certainly makes sense to pick the first. Extra hours are more likely to make you more valuable than to make you equally or less valuable.
This was what I was replying to
> I find it interesting that HN commenters frequently take it for granted that someone who tinkered with programming at an early age and do side projects is a better performer at work.
Thats why I do take it for granted (on average) that people who do side projects do better than those who don't. With 2 equal resumes I would confidently pick the one who started programming early. Nothing is certain when generalizing like that obviously, but then again no signal ever in any interview is a guarantee of future work performance.
Re: Google Sued by 3 Female Ex-Employees Who Say It Pays Women Less Than Men
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I don't understand how just giving a group of people more money will solve the problem. That's is an artificial way of addressing it, it's just a band aid. Let's look at the causes , and address those. I think that's how you solve it. It is pretty sexist to say , "give someone more money because they are a women"
Ummm... you realize band-aids solve the problem of bleeding, right? Similarly, giving women more money solves the problem of women getting paid less money.
The same logic would mandate that everyone gets paid the same amount of money, which I personally would be sort of OK with, depending on the details, but it is generally considered such a radical idea that it suggests there's something missing from your argument.
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#156I wonder if their skills are on the same level as the men who were paid more. And I'm curious, did they ask every single man in Google how much they get paid? Probably, there are some men who make even less than they do (or did). Please don't consider me a sexist, but this kind of stuff is everywhere now and it's hard to tell whether it's a truth or not.
This is ideological warfare, it has nothing to do with logic.
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>>Here's another percentage what percentage of women and men didn't waste a thought on how they looked in their teenage years because they where so obsessed on how computers worked? Most people are not in the job because they like create things or build things. They are there because they want a job and nothing more. And they want a job where (unit of money)/(unit of work) has a higher value. That means they have to…
So true. People didn't give two shits about the nerds and the tiny useless portion of the world known as computing they occupied 20 years ago - back then it was less glamorous and less money involved. They scoffed at the morons who not only did computers at work but continued to think, write and do "work" after work! Now theres money involved everyone wants in! Now those same leeches demand to be given the same roles…
So true.
People didn't give two shits about the ladies and doing the tiny useless portion of the world known as software they occupied 50 years ago - back then it was less glamorous and less money involved.
Yes, women used to dominate software development. Until the money and prestige started coming in, then men started dominating the profession.
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/computer-programmin...
Re: Google Sued by 3 Female Ex-Employees Who Say It Pays Women Less Than Men
#158Flat salaries may fix this? You basically join at the same bracket publicly. No performance bonuses and all salaries increases are directly based on years put in. Everyone joins with the same options across the board. For each male hired there must be a female hired. No roles. Everyone has the same title: "Engineer". Off sites are strictly prohibited. Is this what the lawyers want?
Haha that'd be ridiculous! Imagine working all night and getting paid the same as someone who works half as much. That being said, salaries are not determined by how hard you work but rather how much the company needs you to stay.
>>Imagine working all night and getting paid the same as someone who works half as much.
You don't. And that's where it will all begin to break down. Things as a whole will be mediocre.
Re: Google Sued by 3 Female Ex-Employees Who Say It Pays Women Less Than Men
#159The fun part of these articles is reading all the comments that literally post proximate causes for the gender wage gap and somehow conclude from that that the gap (which they just validated) does not exist. This whole process infuriates me. The gender wage gap is an empirical question. It exists. If we believe it's a problem (I do; you may not), it has the easiest solution in the world: give women more money. Seriou…
The confusion here is between "women get paid less on average" and "women get paid less on average because of sexist treatment/assumptions". If the latter, more specific statement is true, then we have a problem. However, if women are paid less because of less career-oriented personal life choices, maybe making an issue out of it is an overreaction.
Left-handed people earn less on average than righties. Tall people earn more. With a sufficiently large sample you'll probably find a correlation between salary and hair color, hand size, skin pigmentation, freckle density and a million other arbitrary factors that we've long decided are not worth fighting about.
Re: Google Sued by 3 Female Ex-Employees Who Say It Pays Women Less Than Men
#160One of the women suing complained that a man was hired a level above her with the same years of experience. They both had four years experience. I joined one of the big 4 eight years into my career. Similar to her I was placed at an entry level position. When I started I saw that I had the same ability as people higher than me. I made sure that I displayed that ability to my peers and manager. And what do you know, I…
> Google can't win with its current culture. This is what happens when a company or group is too left leaning. You always get attacked by the very people you're trying to help.
Yah, this sums it all up, Google makes this assumption that everyone they hire has the same mindset, and this is not true.