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Re: Introducing Atom-IDE

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Post by electrum »

wolfgke wrote: post #140
pjmlp wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Expensive?!? It is a bargain compared with what I used to pay for programming tools during the 90's. In other professions people care to buy their tools.

> In other professions people care to buy their tools. JetBrains' tools have to be rented.

> JetBrains' tools have to be rented.

That's not correct. JetBrains subscriptions come with a perpetual fallback license for the version available when you purchased the subscription. This is basically the same as the previous model where you would buy a license for a specific version with free upgrades for some period of time afterwards. Most people would continuously buy the upgrade license they wanted to stay on the latest version.

https://sales.jetbrains.com/hc/en-gb/articles/207240845-What...

Re: Introducing Atom-IDE

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Post by khedoros1 »

noir_lord wrote: post #134
pjmlp wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really would like to see this utopian world where all other professions outside IT also get their tools for free.

My grandfather was a master carpenter, he had a saying I've always liked "If you use something for more than an hour a day buy the best you can afford". I've never minded paying for developer tools as long as I could afford them, lots of professionals spend a lot more than we do on tools/professional development.

How did he feel about perpetually renting them? Even if the tool is currently perfect, I don't trust that the company's future plans will align with my future needs; I expect that they'll diverge.

edit: I stand corrected; didn't see the asterisk and the separate page specifying that an active subscription isn't necessary to continue using the current version of the software.

Re: Introducing Atom-IDE

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Post by ArlenBales »

babaganoosh89 wrote: post #79
tootie wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that's less relevant than it used to be. JetBrains is now the de facto best IDE for Java, JavaScript, Python and PHP. It has Android Studio and even support for C#. Visual Studio also supports a wide array of languages. I'm in IntelliJ pretty much all the time, no matter the project.

Not true for Javascript, the cool thing about VS code is that it will automatically download the typescript definition files even if you aren't using typescript. So you get much nicer hover and autocompletion than intelliJ/webstorm.

He did say IDE, VS code is still considered an editor (like Atom, Sublime Text, etc.)

Re: Introducing Atom-IDE

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Post by judofyr »

Will_Do wrote: post #37

This seems to also have the BSD + Patents beloved by Facebook[0]. The virus is spreading. [0]: https://github.com/facebook-atom/atom-ide-ui/blob/master/PAT...

What is the issue with a free patent grant (which is revoked under certain conditions)? Atom itself is licensed under MIT and doesn't give you a patent grant.

EDIT: I understand that it would be best to get a free patent grant, but most open-source projects have no patent grant at all. Why are we not complaining that Microsoft might hold patents for VSCode that they suddenly will start suing companies over?

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Post by imtringued »

noir_lord wrote: post #134
pjmlp wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really would like to see this utopian world where all other professions outside IT also get their tools for free.

My grandfather was a master carpenter, he had a saying I've always liked "If you use something for more than an hour a day buy the best you can afford". I've never minded paying for developer tools as long as I could afford them, lots of professionals spend a lot more than we do on tools/professional development.

Offtopic: I would also urge you if you want to solder not to buy a cheap soldering iron from radioshack, etc. If you don't have the money for a weller or hakko soldering station then at the very least buy a chinese temperature controlled hakko 936 clone. The difference between a crap iron and a decent temperature controlled iron is gigantic.

Re: Introducing Atom-IDE

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Post by imtringued »

Lramseyer wrote: post #131
fortythirteen wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish they'd put this sort of manpower towards fixing Electron.

Or you know, move away from it entirely. But in all seriousness, I actually really like Atom as a text editor, and wish it didn't consume so many resources to run.

My primary complaint is that it can't handle large files at all. Why can't I use it to look at my logs without it completely freezing?

Re: Introducing Atom-IDE

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Post by josteink »

anderspitman wrote: post #126
komali2 wrote: post #101

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I've been wondering if there's a way to use a more graphical editor over SSH, such as vscode or sublime. I get that I could just "learn VIM" but I already know a shitload of hotkeys for vscode/sublime (they're easily transferred), so I'd rather just use them.

You could do X forwarding

Electron apps are terrible with X forwarding. Even locally, on your own LAN.

It's all rendered bitmaps getting sent over, causing much lag and terrible performance.

Not recommended.

Re: Introducing Atom-IDE

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Post by damieng »

vorpalhex wrote: post #81
aesthetics1 wrote: post #66

This seems aimed squarely at VSCode. VSCode does a lot of this now out of the box (or with a few extensions). I think Atom is really just trying to keep up. I personally do not believe they have the horsepower to compete with Microsoft here though. VSCode is a phenomenal product.

I've always chosen Atom over VSCode because I don't want these features. Autocomplete even on really expensive IDEs runs way to slow, clever auto formatting and it's ilk tend to not work well for me at all, and I dislike the overbearing project management features in most IDEs. I want a text editor that vaguely understands code with some simple file browsing and plug and play extensions. Atom trying to become VSCode…

And thanks to the way the extension system works in Atom you can keep your editor that way. These packages are entirely optional.

The only changes made to Atom at all to facilitate this were better built-in watching of files in Atom (benefits all packages and should improve things like the tree view when it switches over) and an async shutdown mechanism for packages.

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