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Coding Boot Camps Get the Boot: Why the Industry Is Shutting Down

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Post by Hydraulix989 »

sidlls wrote: post #86
randomdrake wrote: post #6

I'm glad they're going away. > While coding boot camps had many course listings on JavaScript, Ruby, and web development, they had none that covered product management, wireframing, cloud computing, DevOps, or Agile methodologies. In other words, they don’t teach students the other important entrepreneurial tech skills. This makes sense seeing how their focus is coding. But as I stated in my last article, many recrui…

> When there's no difference between cramming for your History 101 mid-term and a technical interview for a software developer, we're not in a good spot. Your "1 million strings" example is exactly the kind of thing that can be memorized, and is actually a quite common class of interview questions in certain segments of this industry. It's also only tangentially related to engineering. If I may, I'd draw an analogy w…

Which is fine because something like searching through a million strings is very much an actual problem that would be faced on-the-job -- usually the spec is already written and handed to you by your manager -- and we can all agree that being able to recall obscure syntactical knowledge or invert a binary tree are things that, while commonly asked in whiteboard interviews, aren't something an actual software engineer would ever be faced with in their daily work.

Re: Coding Boot Camps Get the Boot: Why the Industry Is Shutting Down

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jzymbaluk wrote: post #76
aecorredor wrote: post #34

"While coding boot camps had many course listings on JavaScript, Ruby, and web development, they had none that covered product management, wireframing, cloud computing, DevOps, or Agile methodologies" I have a 4 year computer science degree and I didn't learn any of the listed topics either, so I'm not sure if the article is implying that other institutions do prepare new grads for these topics. The main advantage I…

Really? I graduated this year from a state school with a degree in CS and we covered a lot of this stuff. Software Engineering was a required junior/senior level course where we had a semester-long group project where we had to self-organize using Agile methods, and we were grade on our user stories and . I took a senior-level elective course on product management, and we covered cloud and warehouse computing in comp…

I graduated this year, Summer 2017. For example, my curriculum also required Software Engineering I, which was comprised of a full semester group project. The problem was that it was all waterfall, we spent the whole semester talking about the theory behind waterfall and how to do UML, and talking about architectures that were pretty outdated (we didn't even get to talk about MVC in detail, and don't even think about microservices). We had to do a bunch of documentation with UML about our classes, etc, which all seemed very abstract and like a time waste when comparing it to the actual rails app we had to code. We ended up coding the web app in 4 days with ruby and rails, and didn't even need all the docs to get that MVP. There was a cloud computing elective course which I planned on taking, but it was never offered in any of the semesters that I could have taken it (basically my last year). Wireframing was not even close to being covered in any course. Git I had to learn completely by myself, which isn't a major problem since it's not that bad tbh. Product management, again, not even close to being covered. And, agile, we did cover it in the senior project course, but in reality it was a very vague scrum process, where I'm 100% sure most of the students didn't get the whole purpose of it. Luckily for me I had done an internship in a pretty enterprisy and big company which already had a pretty mature scrum process set up, so I got to learn the benefits from them. I guess what I'm saying is, I feel like most of the stuff I know today about computer science/programming I learned on my own, and not because of my CS degree.

I guess that going for a CS degree just helped me in the sense that it actually made me say "hey, this is gonna be you're career, so you better get serious and get into it", which in turn made me start learning a whole lot of more on my own. So, in a sense, I feel that a coding bootcamp can do the same, for a whole lot less money, and in a whole lot less time.

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