Parenthetically... I notice that the comments on this thread which provided the address the dailystormer domain in a ccTLD and the .onion address, have been completely removed. Not downvoted, but they look totally gone to me.
EasyDNS refuses to host The DailyStormer domain
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Re: EasyDNS refuses to host The DailyStormer domain
#152Somewhat dichotomously, I agree with every position mark takes in the linked post, but at the same time, I'm quietly waiting to see where Daily Stormer ends up landing, so that I can start treating them as the 'real' bastions of free speech, and very likely start throwing them my business. It isn't because I'm sympathetic to the nazis in this scenario, but if you're trying to position yourself as "the free speech reg…
Seems like companies are worried that if they host TDS, they'll just start harassing people again. The reason they lost their host in the first place wasn't free speech, it's because they were going after the family of Heather Hayes.
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#153Another cowardly "free speech but..." Either you support free speech (including Nazis or whatever today's boogeyman is) or you don't support free speech at all. Claiming you support free speech only when you like the speech is abjectly idiotic. When you start blocking people from using your service for their speech, it's time to stop calling yourself the "free speech registrar."
Harassing someone isn't free speech, my dude. Nobody is going to host TDS anymore simply because they started breaking laws. Nobody wanted to host them before but did it out of principle, but the Nazism combined with harassing the family of a dead girl is a death sentence for their site.
Free speech doesn't mean people have to listen or even give you a platform. Nobody but the government is bound by the first amendment. Read up on the laws you're talking about.
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#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
So the thing about free speech is https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/first_amendment the first amendment means the government shouldn't be able to suppress what you say. That's all. Corporations aren't the government and shouldn't be held to the same standards.
I don't see anyone claiming that the government is preventing speech here. Just because it's legal for the company to deny their services, doesn't mean that said company can't be criticized for it.
You're correct, nobody is claiming that. I simply pointed out that "free speech" and saying whatever the hell you want are two different things. One is protected by law. One is not, and if I held an opinion you found morally wrong or vice versa, the other is not beholden to hear it, nor to serve the opinion holder if either party is a business. And I don't think that's bad.
Sure society may have prevailing moral standards, but the thing about having an opinion (which I think I'm proving with this comment) is we all, myself included, have forgotten that means we don't have to share it.
Re: EasyDNS refuses to host The DailyStormer domain
#155This is part of a disturbing new trend of "political discrimination". If someone opposes the policies of an identity group, in this case mixed-race marriages, but it could be women, gays, or rural white Christians, then that opposition is labeled "hate". Once labeled, their speech is deemed offensive and censored, and they become fair game for political discrimination, to be fired from their jobs, kicked off social m…
No, they got kicked off of their hosts because they were harassing Heather Hayes' grieving family.
TDS are literally neo-nazis, not just some asshats who don't like interracial marriage. You either have literally no clue what you're talking about, or you're being purposefully intellectually dishonest.
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#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
Perhaps the parent is confused as I am: Do these Nazis want "German Socialism" to take over in USA, so be ruled from Germany? If not then I think calling them Nazis definitely needs clarification. Genuine confusion for me. Nazi to me is someone who wants to resurrect Hitler and be ruled by the Fatherland; that seems incongruent with what I expect from USA white supremacist??
"Nazi" derives from the word "National Socialism", it's not inherently German in that regard, they just invented it. The ideology isn't tied to one nation. You can read about nazism in the US here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazism#United_States
>The ideology isn't tied to one nation. //
In Mein Kampf doesn't Hitler specifically link Aryanism and his anti-Jewish position to Germany's history and geography. If you take the same ideas and plant them in USA you'd get something like Native [North] American master race with Mexican hate, wouldn't you? Backing the Aryanism and adding holocaust denial and such seems to make it very much supporting Hitler's "German" Nazism; it seems inextricably linked with the concept of the Aryan master race which is based on a German [psuedo] history?
I'm probably expecting too much rationale and logical consistency.
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#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
When lies cause harm to others they are usually a type of fraud. Those are crimes. Edit: I'm talking 'real' harm. The kind you could sue someone for, with real actual damages. Not simply emotional distress or inconvenience.
If I promise to pick my friend up at the airport and don't go, have I harmed them? Is it a crime? If I run for president and lie about my positions to get elected, have I harmed anyone? Is it a crime? If I create a second identity and maintain two relationships in different states, have I harmed anyone? Is it a crime? In response to your edit, yes, that's exactly the point. Not all harm can be sued for. Not all wrong…
The last question with the job is basically textbook promissory estoppel: http://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/promissory_estoppel.asp.
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#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you sure you're not thinking of "the first amendment" rather than "free speech"?
Of course I'm talking about the first amendment, the only protection of free speech that exists in the USA. Any time someone brings up free speech and it's involving non-government entitites is just kidding themselves that they believe they have a "right" to express their views however they want.
So, because of the first amendment, we do have a "right" to express our views however we want. Because of the freedom of association, people and companies have the right to refuse to associate with us.
Irrespective of the first amendment, any given individual or company is free to respect the principle of free speech as much or as little as they like. I choose to respect the principle more than you. Thanks to free speech, we both have the express our disagreement. Because YCombinator respects free speech to some extent, they have furnish us a platform that allows us to publish these opinions.
Treating speech as a boolean is naive. There are a range of protections ranging from popular opinion, free speech devotees, all the way up to the first amendment.
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#159Earlier quoted context omitted.
Conpletely agree. Most of the arguments I see on the subject are "slippery slope" arguments tbat imo end up doing more bad than good. Freedom of speech should not exist for people who do not want freedom of speech (e.g. nazis). It's similar To your liberty ends where the liberty of others begins.
"Freedom of speech should not exist for people who do not want freedom of speech" This sounds like a conundrum to me. If you think groups should not have free speech if they don't support free speech, then you don't support free speech and shouldn't be allowed to speak.
You're playing on the details, this could be rephrased like the previous sentence:
"your freedom of speech ends where the freedom of speech of others begins"
Re: EasyDNS refuses to host The DailyStormer domain
#160Another cowardly "free speech but..." Either you support free speech (including Nazis or whatever today's boogeyman is) or you don't support free speech at all. Claiming you support free speech only when you like the speech is abjectly idiotic. When you start blocking people from using your service for their speech, it's time to stop calling yourself the "free speech registrar."
Harassing someone isn't free speech, my dude. Nobody is going to host TDS anymore simply because they started breaking laws. Nobody wanted to host them before but did it out of principle, but the Nazism combined with harassing the family of a dead girl is a death sentence for their site. Free speech doesn't mean people have to listen or even give you a platform. Nobody but the government is bound by the first amendme…
> because they started breaking laws
I'd prefer the court system decide who has broken which laws, rather than domain registrars or random internet commenters.