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The sudden death and eternal life of Solaris

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Re: The sudden death and eternal life of Solaris

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post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what's in it for Oracle?

some goodwill. Microsoft earned a lot of with all of the open sourcing they've been doing in the last few years.

To paraphrase Bryan Cantrill, don't fall into the trap of anthropomorphising Larry Ellison. Your lawnmower doesn't care about community goodwill either.

Re: The sudden death and eternal life of Solaris

#153
post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Oracle rdbms was at least for a while unmatched. It had programmability, functionality, and tunability that no other database had. If you needed what it provided, and could afford it, there was no real substitute. Today, Postgres has come a long way, and distributed databases are much more developed. There is probably much less technical justification for using Oracle than there was 10+ years ago. Also many compa…

> The Oracle rdbms was at least for a while unmatched. It had programmability, functionality, and tunability that no other database had. If That's never really been true. From day 1 it's been neck-and-neck with DB2.

from developer perspective, that's far from true. oracle was a polished product, DB2 was, well... IBM product, PITA in various forms (toolset, easy to use etc.)

Re: The sudden death and eternal life of Solaris

#154

> ..employees who had given their careers to the company were told of their termination via a pre-recorded call — “robo-RIF’d” Every single first person or second hand account I've heard about Oracle makes like a terrible place to work... is this just people being hyperbolic, or is is truly that terrible?

This is a burner account, so take it with a grain of salt etc. but I used to work at Oracle in a senior management role and honestly the culture was horrible and very incompatible with me (I stayed there for a few years trying to 'work it out' though because I thoughts I was maybe just me and that I was soft etc.).. I worked in middleware and we were over selling average software, people were cut throat horrible to eachother, we spent more time internally competing against other departments and arguing about who'd get which slice of the customer's money rather than working with the customer, providing value and beating the competition. Nobody knows the company mission and its quite a cold and hostile place to work. That was my opinion but most of my colleagues and friends who left felt all the same things. I would NEVER recommend working at Oracle to anyone I cared about even if it paid twice what they earn now.

Re: The sudden death and eternal life of Solaris

#156
post #155

If there is a one phrase takeaway from this excellent essay it would be Brian's terse and apt characterization of Oracle as a "remorseless corporate sociopath."

"Don't make the mistake of anthropomorphizing Larry Ellison!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zRN7XLCRhc&t=33m

Re: The sudden death and eternal life of Solaris

#158
post #155

If there is a one phrase takeaway from this excellent essay it would be Brian's terse and apt characterization of Oracle as a "remorseless corporate sociopath."

"Don't make the mistake of anthropomorphizing Larry Ellison!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zRN7XLCRhc&t=33m

lol. +100

Re: The sudden death and eternal life of Solaris

#159
post #19

As someone who's never used Solaris or looked into its merits I'm curious: can someone comment on why all the nostalgia for Solaris?

There was a time, so I'm told by Oracle DBAs, that Oracle was developed on Solaris first, then ported to other platforms. So, Solaris had the best support, and least problems. Bugs were fixed there first. To quote, "If you're going to run Oracle, you might as well run it on Solaris" I guess that is not the case any more.

This comment is probably more about Oracle than about Solaris as such. IIRC, there was also a time when Oracle partnered with HP and a joint selling point was that Oracle ran fastest on HP-UX. I can't seem to find a link for this. Later, there was also a bitter fight and a lawsuit between the two companies on Oracle dropping support for Itanium based machines from HP. [1]

[1]: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/06/hp-aw...

Re: The sudden death and eternal life of Solaris

#160

At the end of the day, Sun/Oracle has to be able to make revenue from Solaris for them to keep paying those peoples' salaries. Is your startup / company deploying on Solaris? Nope of course you aren't - who is?! Pretty much nobody nowadays - w3techs.com shows Solaris at 0.0005% for webservers for example. Everyone talks about how great it is(to be sure there are some small bits that are pretty dang amazing) - yet for…

> At the end of the day, Sun/Oracle has to be able to make revenue from Solaris for them to keep paying those peoples' salaries. This is a crop out that you're giving on behalf of Oracle. Oracle does this all the time. It's their modus operandi. They buy companies/technologies out, milk them for license fees and let it trudge along until it stops making money anymore and either close shop or abandon it to Apache Foun…

None of the commercial Unixes survived Linux and the BSDs outside of increasingly specialized niches (well, I guess Darwin did). Oracle was the specific mechanism by which Solaris shuffled off this mortal coil, yes, but the last decade of it's life was not a foregone conclusion when Sun folded. The others are just as dead, but in their own ways.

Nobody is asking for a round of applause for Oracle, but the scorn poured on them for this seems misplaced.

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