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Google AMP is bad for e-commerce

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Re: Google AMP is bad for e-commerce

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Post by claudiulodro »

kmoe wrote: post #150
claudiulodro wrote: post #112

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The fast, non-blocking content loading is the main feature. I took a radical path when developing my site and made it AMP-first. Instead of having an AMP version of each page, every page is its own AMP version because it's an AMP page. Even served from my cheapo shared web host and not Google's AMP cache, I have pretty-much instant loading of all pages: http://multithreaded.link/2017/08/lyft-customer-acquisition-...…

Your "About", "Contact", and "Privacy Policy" footer links don't work (they go to "#").

Yeah sorry about that! I just launched it recently so I'm still getting everything going. :)

Re: Google AMP is bad for e-commerce

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Post by nine_k »

adrianratnapala wrote: post #119
nine_k wrote: post #77

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It's desired by the (non-paying) users, but not necessarily by web publishers. Here the desires of said users and Google align: they both want to see a search result quickly.

How much of this is actual desire by web publishers, and how much is just collective stupidity. Do they really want their websites to be a hassle to use? To have readers turn away because it doesn't load faster enough, or at all? I think it is more likely that they just higher web-developers, according to some cultural norm about how to select devs and about what features to specify. And those devs choose frameworks…

They want their websites to make more money. If this takes some more time to (eventually) load but results in increase of total income, they have all incentives to add the "bloat". You know, boarding a train or a bus could be so much faster if the checking of tickets were not involved.

Re: Google AMP is bad for e-commerce

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Post by brianwawok »

Tom4hawk wrote: post #149
brianwawok wrote: post #75

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I want it as a consumer. If AMP went away tomorrow I would just browsing on my phone. Ad blockers are not good enough, and I refuse to fight popups and scroll blockers and blah blah blah in 2017.

Maybe it's time to change websites you visit? If website is actively trying to prevent me from reading it I just don't do that. If you are a publisher and think that you need AMP than it only means that your website sucks big time.

Go look at the hackernews frontpage. A good 90% of the links are to crap. Totally impossible to read on a phone.

If all I wanted to do was read hacker news comments I would be safe..

Re: Google AMP is bad for e-commerce

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Post by deftturtle »

kinkrtyavimoodh wrote: post #23

Despite understanding and largely agreeing with the concerns against AMP Cache that get discussed any time an AMP article gets posted on HN, I cannot stress enough on how relieved I feel to see the lightning icon next to a mobile search result, especially on my now aging phone. Most content websites have become such a massive crapfest of ad-bloat, bad UX, huge page sizes and general usability hell that it's nigh impo…

I just use a content blocker to prevent JS, CSS, fonts, and images on all websites by default. Then if I care about the site, I can change permissions.

Medium.com now loads so fast, as well as other bloated publishers and newspapers. It's amazing how many tabs I can open, and I use so little bandwidth.

I end using my phone's screen reader usually, so I don't care about appearance. Just need good stories in the :)

Re: Google AMP is bad for e-commerce

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Post by fastball »

stephenr wrote: post #140
fastball wrote: post #118

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I don't understand why this matters though? Google is tracking you. If you don't want to be data-mined, you shouldn't be using Google. If you are using Google, it means you don't mind being tracked. It means you are placing the convenience that Google provides above your concerns about what a faceless corporation can do with your data. If you don't mind being tracked, AMP is not a problem. I understand how you could…

seriously? If you want to use any of a companies services, you have to agree to like any and all of their future changes to said service, no matter how monopoly-like they are or how many privacy protections they hack around?

Nothing has changed. AMP does not make Google's tracking more pervasive?

Re: Google AMP is bad for e-commerce

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Post by fastball »

kuschku wrote: post #126
fastball wrote: post #118

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I don't understand why this matters though? Google is tracking you. If you don't want to be data-mined, you shouldn't be using Google. If you are using Google, it means you don't mind being tracked. It means you are placing the convenience that Google provides above your concerns about what a faceless corporation can do with your data. If you don't mind being tracked, AMP is not a problem. I understand how you could…

I want to prevent my users from being datamined, even if they found my site via Google. But I also don’t want to end up basically deranked on Google by sites that have nothing to do with the result. Just look at this example to see how AMP distorts the actual search ranking, by moving pages to #1 that have nothing to do with the topic, but happen to be on AMP: http://i.imgur.com/84FvZmA.png

Uhm. Are we looking at the same image?

Not sure where you think AMP is coming into this? Those results seem relevant to me?

Re: Google AMP is bad for e-commerce

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Post by notatoad »

kuschku wrote: post #126
fastball wrote: post #118

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I don't understand why this matters though? Google is tracking you. If you don't want to be data-mined, you shouldn't be using Google. If you are using Google, it means you don't mind being tracked. It means you are placing the convenience that Google provides above your concerns about what a faceless corporation can do with your data. If you don't mind being tracked, AMP is not a problem. I understand how you could…

I want to prevent my users from being datamined, even if they found my site via Google. But I also don’t want to end up basically deranked on Google by sites that have nothing to do with the result. Just look at this example to see how AMP distorts the actual search ranking, by moving pages to #1 that have nothing to do with the topic, but happen to be on AMP: http://i.imgur.com/84FvZmA.png

There is nothing AMP related in that screenshot. Google doesn't link to AMP on desktop search results.

Re: Google AMP is bad for e-commerce

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Post by slrz »

superkuh wrote: post #76
roneythomas6 wrote: post #15

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Cloudflare provides AMP cache. If you don't want to use Google CDN.

Cloudflare's AMP cache is even worse. If someone goes to a website behind/rehosted on Cloudflares AMP that has a link from that site to a third party site (say, yours or mine) that third party site will be spidered and also rehosted on Cloudflare AMP. Then when someone goes to the intentionally Cloudflare AMP site and clicks through to your site your actual domain never gets the hit. Instead all traffic remains withi…

Then when someone goes to the intentionally Cloudflare AMP site and clicks through to your site your actual domain never gets the hit. Instead all traffic remains within Cloudflare and you never see it.

Sounds pretty nice, no? Where can I sign up to reduce my hosting bill?

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