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Re: The cognitive differences between men and women

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Post by closeparen » Tue, Aug 08, 2017, 10:47 PM UTC

jules wrote: post #81

closeparen wrote: post #71

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Attraction is the last thing we're trying to engineer in the workplace.

This isn't just about the workplace. It is about behavior in general and where this behavior comes from. Even feminists have admitted to me and other feminists have written articles describing that they find the opposite of what they advocate attractive, and if they are unable to socially engineer themselves there is little chance with society in general. Gendered behaviour is incentivised that way. You find reinforc…

People are adaptable. You don't need to behave the same way at work as you do in your dating life. We should not be enforcing standards of gendered behavior in a business context because they increase attractiveness.

In fact this is a common form of sexual harassment - telling women they ought to make themsleves more attractive to you (smile, dress a certain way, etc) when you are strangers or colleagues.

Re: The cognitive differences between men and women

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Post by jules » Wed, Aug 09, 2017, 9:31 AM UTC

closeparen wrote: post #151

jules wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't just about the workplace. It is about behavior in general and where this behavior comes from. Even feminists have admitted to me and other feminists have written articles describing that they find the opposite of what they advocate attractive, and if they are unable to socially engineer themselves there is little chance with society in general. Gendered behaviour is incentivised that way. You find reinforc…

People are adaptable. You don't need to behave the same way at work as you do in your dating life. We should not be enforcing standards of gendered behavior in a business context because they increase attractiveness. In fact this is a common form of sexual harassment - telling women they ought to make themsleves more attractive to you (smile, dress a certain way, etc) when you are strangers or colleagues.

Who said anything about telling others at work to make themselves more attractive? We're talking about people making themselves more attractive, such as men who purposely avoid appearing sensitive, and why men do that.

You said:

> Being a sensitive man, an ambitious/aggressive woman, etc. is not and should not be treated like obesity.

My point is that being a sensitive man is treated like obesity, and I mentioned the most powerful driver behind men acting more stoic than they naturally would. Note that I have not made a single normative statement in this thread. I'll make the first one now: if you truly care about not reinforcing gender stereotypes, you should tackle the source not the symptom.

Re: The cognitive differences between men and women

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Post by meowface » Sun, Aug 13, 2017, 4:00 AM UTC

leereeves wrote: post #122

meowface wrote: post #42

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If "male visuospatial advantage" isn't being replicated when stereotype threat is taken into account, and stereotype threat isn't being replicated when other experimental variables are taken into account, I don't think that necessarily proves or disproves male visuospatial advantage or that it can or can't be explained by stereotype threat. I think we need some meta-analyses here.

A meta-analysis wouldn't solve the problem unless it somehow included previously unpublished data. Publication bias has left whole fields of science untrustable. If an individual scientist cherry-picked interesting data the way publications cherry-pick results to publish, it would be called fraud.

Very true. I should've said "more studies and more meta-analyses need to be conducted".