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Update on Bitcoin Cash

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Re: Update on Bitcoin Cash

#151
post #49

Say what you will about Coinbase, but I really appreciate their willingness to adapt and respond to customer feedback. I personally didn't want to take on the risk of creating a paper wallet and having to move my small amount of BTC from my Coinbase vault, so this is great news for me.

Taking 5 months to enable trading doesn't seem like "adoption"

You should visit the headquarters of some slow-moving enterprises.

Re: Update on Bitcoin Cash

#152
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BCC = Block space isn't a big deal BTC = Block space is a big deal The number of auditors is inversely proportional to the size of blocks. If you don't think automated auditing of the mint by as many disparate entities as possible is a prerequisite of sound money, then you probably think BCC makes the right decisions. If you do, then BTC makes the right decisions.

There's no reason to think "as many as possible" is needed. Realistically if there's even 1000 independent entities (nodes) is that not enough? What's a realistic attack that is blocked by having another 1000 people run a node in their home? On top of that, with small blocks and 3rd party payment channels, there's very little reason for people who aren't big financial institutions to even care. Gavin Andresen put it…

There are zero similarities between SWIFT and Nakamoto payment channels, apart from the superficial common purpose of transferring value.

This suggestion stems from either dishonesty or ignorance and there is no reason to take part in that kind of mudslinging.

Re: Update on Bitcoin Cash

#153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Taking 5 months to enable trading doesn't seem like "adoption"

You should visit the headquarters of some slow-moving enterprises.

Slow moving enterprises in technology world are an age old phenomena. Even - long established, waterfall pattern following - enterprises are acknowledging this and speeding up their cycles. In the current world of fast pace technology, one cannot justify by giving such examples.

Re: Update on Bitcoin Cash

#154
post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a quite a bit more complicated than just increasing the block size to 8mb, actually, and in reality Bitcoin Cash ended up using one of SegWit's key changes in modified form. The default Bitcoin signature algorithm has quadratic performance due to repeated hashing and if the block size is increased above 1MB an attacker can use this in a fairly nasty DoS attack that, worst case, might be able to fork the blockcha…

Just to test my understanding: Segwit essentially moves the signature in a transaction (and changes what is being signed). This fixes most "transaction malleability" problems. Transaction malleability means that one of the nodes in the bitcoin network can change some of the information in the transaction. It can't change where the money is coming from, where the money is going, or how much the transaction is for, but…

More or less, except that the reason Bitcoin Cash happened is that SegWit seems almost certain to be activated at this point as a result of interesting political wranglings. The other subtle detail is that older nodes see a stripped version of SegWit blocks with the "witness" parts of the transactions removed, and it's this block that they apply the 1MB limit to. So while the signatures technically aren't part of a seperate block, they're not part of the main block either. This is why the non-witness part of transactions has to count as being more expensive.

Re: Update on Bitcoin Cash

#155
post #58

Question: if Coinbase never claimed the Bitcoin Cash, would there be any grounds for a lawsuit?

They don't have to claim it. Purely by controlling the addresses that held BTC at the time of the fork, Coinbase controls the BCH that magicked into existence. The issue is that BCH belongs to the original owner of the BTC it was forked from. Despite Coinbase telling people to withdraw their BTC if they wanted the BCH a lot of people no-doubt now feel aggrieved that they're unable to access the new theoretical windfa…

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Re: Update on Bitcoin Cash

#156
Coinbase could easily avoid, or be unable to, provide BCH balances to their bitcoin holding customers.

There's no telling how Coinbase operates internally. You can't just assume that 1 customer == 1 permanent bitcoin address in Coinbase's backend. Perhaps they shift funds around all the time into new addresses, without keeping references/keys to the old ones. In that case, BCH balances would be lost, with no way to restore them to the 'owner' at the time of the fork.

Luckily (for would-be BCH holders) that seems to not be the case, but I think Coinbase deserves credit for going the extra mile when they could justifiably say that it is not their problem to deal with.

Re: Update on Bitcoin Cash

#157
post #16

Is there a viable alternative to Coinbase? Their support is absurdly awful. Two months and they sent two auto-replies to a simple ticket that couldn't be answered by the knowledge base. They don't care about your money - so long as it's already in their vault.

VP Ops at Coinbase We are trying to scale our support team as quickly as possible. Wish I had a better answer for you. https://blog.coinbase.com/improving-customer-support-139d99e... If you still need help with your issue, send me an email (in my profile).

A lot of the issues I've encountered (which were simple card verification errors due to addresses change) could have been easily solved with better Error messages, FAQs and staff training. Instead tickets go into a black hole, you wait 6 hours and get a boilerplate response.

Re: Update on Bitcoin Cash

#158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They should have seen this coming (from the ETC split) and come up with this policy ahead of time, instead of scaring customers into withdrawing or providing any doubt that using Coinbase might mean losing out on significant value. All they had to say was "BCC support for withdrawals will happen within 30 days if BCC trades above X% of BTC". Or basically anything to the effect of "if BCC is worth anything, we'll give…

They didn't adapt. BCH created a new op code for replay protection, so it's trivial to create a transaction to at least cash out BCH. It just doesn't take 5 to change a bit in a transaction before signing. Also they can just copy open source code that does this already well.

That bit is just a flag which indicates that how the actual signatures on the transaction are done has changed. In order to create a valid transaction you have to implement those changes too, and not all the open source code that claims to do this actually gets it right. And of course, being able to build transactions is just part of what you have to do to support a new coin.

Re: Update on Bitcoin Cash

#159
post #131

I have been a long time coinbase user. I have been very unhappy with their support. I have been unable to add additional funds to buy both additional ethereum and btc from their site, even after contacting them repeatedly about this ... but never getting a reply. I did multiple identity verifications and connected bank and credit cards. No luck in being able to transact properly. Bitcoin Cash was a forcing function a…

I, too, have had terrible past experiences with Coinbase and I no longer use them. I now buy on Gemini for fiat -> BTC and use other exchanges for altcoins. That said, I no longer keep any crypto on any exchange, including Gemini. The whole point of Bitcoin is that you are your own bank via ownership of your private keys. By giving them to Coinbase, you centralize the system, concentrate the risk, and create honeypots for hackers. Remember, the government doesn't insure Bitcoin balances like it does with USD in banks and so much Bitcoin has been lost via exchange hacks in the past few years.

Don't let centralized authorities keep your private keys.

Re: Update on Bitcoin Cash

#160
post #156

Coinbase could easily avoid, or be unable to, provide BCH balances to their bitcoin holding customers. There's no telling how Coinbase operates internally. You can't just assume that 1 customer == 1 permanent bitcoin address in Coinbase's backend. Perhaps they shift funds around all the time into new addresses, without keeping references/keys to the old ones. In that case, BCH balances would be lost, with no way to r…

> without keeping references/keys to the old ones

You are correct, but this would be a new level of stupid for a leading cyrptocurrency exchange that actually tries to build a reputation and appearance of quality, safety, compliance and being a "legit" service for financial institutions etc.

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