I wish we heard more stories like these. It might dissuade people from getting involved in drugs in the first place.
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#152Earlier quoted context omitted.
That is the absolute wrong takeaway here. It's about being overly harshly punished for mistakes in their youths. I've heard very similar stories from public defenders that have nothing to do with drugs, but with common punishment escalations that are hard to avoid when you're poor, and people surely can't avoid being poor. Minor fine goes unpaid because this month the electric bill is more important. Leads to more fi…
"Leads to license suspencion. Leads to driving while license suspended." Or, like, don't drive without a license.
If you're an American, there are huge parts of the country where lacking a car is infeasible.
But for the sake of argument, let's say you shutter your car. You can spend a ton of time walking to, and waiting on, public buses, time you can't use to study for a degree, or be with your kids. Maybe you rely on a friend's car, but then you miss out on last-minute shift opportunities, and your friend's transport problems become your problems, too, so if they're sick, you miss a shift and risk getting fired.
You're so out-of-touch, I'm surprised you didn't just say "Let them Uber to work, then."
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#153Bless you, sir.
bless you, too
Re: Launch HN: 70MillionJobs (YC S17) – Job board for people with criminal records
#154Can you sort by criminal record? e.g. Only white collar crimes.
If you have a resume you can typically find a local newspaper report of whatever the crime was even if their name is John smith.
That said, local newspaper stuff is a horrible source of information. "Mr. Doe was charged with the entire book" routinely turns into a plea deal for the smallest charge on the list.
Re: Launch HN: 70MillionJobs (YC S17) – Job board for people with criminal records
#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
The best way to stop people doing bad things they want to do is the fear of certain and severe punishment. "Getting involved" is not something that you do by "mistake", you have to want to do it first. The only "mistake" is believing you won't get caught, presumable because so few do.
Your first statement there belies the fact that you know nothing about psychology. I'd suggest going to your local library and reading up on reward and punishment as it relates to behavioral design in a society.
It's always so exciting to have my knowledge of Psychology called into question by a "DevOps engineer" in Minneapolis.
Re: Launch HN: 70MillionJobs (YC S17) – Job board for people with criminal records
#156Hi Richard, great idea. I'm a UX designer and want to throw out some suggestions on how to improve the experience of the site. First, use more cheerful/positive messages/visuals. It was a joykill when I checked out your website and there's a sad guy placing his hand on the forehead. Show what's possible. How successful people can be once they get a job.. rather than their current state (unemployment). Don't focus on…
You are so right on all your comments. Soon we'll be re-doing the entire site. Perhaps we can talk in several weeks?
In line with that, I think you could also put up a blog section for testimonials, in the near future. IMHO, People need to read stories of how 70million Jobs has helped successful candidates, as that will build confidence in the system.
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#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
leads to job loss. you want them to work, right?
However did anybody work before the invention of the internal combustion engine? rolls eyes
Yes, thanks to shorter distances and the horse-cart. I assure you it's more expensive to own a horse in an urban environment.
Re: Launch HN: 70MillionJobs (YC S17) – Job board for people with criminal records
#158The good thing about people with a criminal record: you know what they did! You will never know this of the people around you who got away not being caught. Do I know if my neighbour did not rob a bank 10 years ago? No. So working with ex-criminals can be an encounter with honesty.
Uh, no you don't. A lot of cases get plead down and the cops/DAs are lazy and often don't charge people with crimes they're not sure they can successfully prosecute. That's why there's so many "non-violent drug offenders" in prison all over. Yeah, most of those people were up to no good but got taken down for something less serious.
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#160I wish we heard more stories like these. It might dissuade people from getting involved in drugs in the first place.
You realize that you can acquire a criminal record for something as innocuous as urinating on your own private property right?
Your comment is very insightful. I was in prison with lots of folks who:
1. Dealt pot. Now widely decriminalized.
2. Cheated on their taxes. I don't know a business person who doesn't fudge their T&E.
3. DWI/Drunk driving. Who among us hasn't driven, having had that extra glass of wine.
Morality is frequently not as black-and-white as we'd wish it conveniently be. We are human. We screw up. There should be ramifications for our transgressions.
But a life sentence! That's the punishment, effectively, that's meted out. How evolved does that make us, as a society?