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Tesla Model 3 First Drive Review

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Re: Tesla Model 3 First Drive Review

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I'm certain if I ever own a Tesla, it'll be a long way into the future. I'm glad they keep pushing forward though, it's causing the infrastructure to advance to a point where I'm almost ready to go fully EV. Where I am, a low-mileage (20-30k) 3-5 year old Nissan Leaf is the equivalent of around $12k with no road tax to pay. And it gets around 150mpg equivalent due to electricity prices. Exciting times!

The Nissan Leaf is a terrible EV. The 3-5 year old models you mention have very low range (~60 miles). That's why they're so cheap. People that own them are constantly mindful of their charge % and are always on the lookout for charging stations if they're deviating from their normal commutes. I've seen many of them run out of juice on the leftmost lanes during commute hours too, causing even more congestion for mile…

I suspect if the battery is still showing full bars it should be closer to 80 miles, but in any case my commute is 11 miles, has never been more than 20, and at that price you can pick up one with a fast charger.

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> ...my stuff (skis, bikes, windsurf + sails, mountaineering gears, etc..) to where I need to be, not something for showing-off and asserting status. Not everyone shows off with fancy cars. Some people like to talk about their rugged athleticism and outdoor adventures.

I'm not exactly implying that buying a car to show off and assert status is reprehensible. Have I touched a nerve? Anyways - I'm just saying that I hope EV manufacturer move up (or down) the immaculate luxurious interiors trip sooner rather than later so that some of us can buy and start using EVs without having to constantly worry about ruining a design project we're probably not worthy of.

> Have I touched a nerve?

Yea, my 115-hp 2011 VW Jetta :)

Regardless, vanishingly few of us here have gotten off the status treadmill, least of which me. We all just move the shells...

Re: Tesla Model 3 First Drive Review

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What sort of maintenance are performed on these cars?? Seems like there is nothing to be maintained, given the all steel, aluminum, glass stuff everywhere. Does it have any oil changes required, like in brakes or transmission?

i can't speak for the Model 3, but i own a Bolt, here's the service schedule for that: * every 7,500mi: rotate tires * every 22,500mi: change cabin air filter * every 5 years: replace brake fluid * every 150,000mi: replace battery cooling fluid that's it. crazy!

What a surreal maintenance statement to see "every 150000 miles"

Awesome

Re: Tesla Model 3 First Drive Review

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Sadly that taxbreak runs out in 2022 and until then declines every year, while not being that substantial. It's tied to battery capacity and maxes out at currently 8000€ from the new price. So with a Model S in a base configuration without any features for example you have to tax 600€ per month instead of 680€. That's a 12% reduction in tax burden, nothing that would push me towards a car in that price range, especia…

Diesel cars are going up in costs for sure over the next time. car manufacturers have to equip them with working exhaust cleaning, and I am sure, the fuel taxes are going to rise after the elections. Electrical cars can also charge at your work place without it being taxed, that exception was made last year. So I would see the Model 3 quite competing to a BMW 3 or 5 series - what is preferable pretty much depends on…

At least here in Finland electric cars use the same taxation method as Diesel called "käyttövoimavero" which roughly translates to "usage power tax". This is based on weight so 0,015€ per day per 100kg. On top of that there is the "car tax" which is based on emissions which for electric cars is at the minimum which comes at 106€/year.

One thing I am sure of is that once the amount of electric vehicles starts to rise they will just up the "käyttövoimavero" (or come up with a new one) to make up for the lost tax revenue.

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I really hope the German government does something to make it more desirable for employees to want the Model 3 or similar cars as company cars. Just to explain the involved costs: There's two ways the government taxes company cars for employees, either you get to write a driving log, that then marks each route as either private or business and then you get the privately driven part taxed as income OR you just get 1%…

Yes, but the Tesla looks cool so even business owners can see that.

The issue is that many European companies provide cars to their employees as a benefit. The employees then have to pay tax on their personal use of the car, at a rate proportional to the price. It's not the business owners who will care - it's the employees who have to pay the tax.

Re: Tesla Model 3 First Drive Review

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In what world is a sub 6s 0-60 sporty? The WRX gets 4.6, and I'd consider that the edge of sporty (also cheaper than the 3).

The WRX is 0-60 in 5.5s. You might be thinking of the STI which is 0-60 in 4.7s (STI starts at $37k, too). But 0-60 is not what defines sportiness, it's the total package including handling and driver engagement & feel. Case in point: The Miata is one of the all time great sports cars, and it does not accelerate quickly.

Man, I loved driving my Miata. Easily my second favorite car, after the Model S :)

Re: Tesla Model 3 First Drive Review

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Nice but still not what I need. I need a long range electric car whose interior I won't be afraid to damage from time to time. I need something that moves me, my family and my stuff (skis, bikes, windsurf + sails, mountaineering gears, etc..) to where I need to be, not something for showing-off and asserting status. The large screen in the middle of the car is a non complete non-starter - lots of the stuff I carry in…

Not cheap, nor plastic, but it sounds like the Bollinger B1 is calling your name:

https://www.theverge.com/transportation/2017/7/27/16052118/b...

Re: Tesla Model 3 First Drive Review

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Break fluid, battery coolant, drive unit fluid, tires when necessary, wheel alignments when necessary, wiper blades when necessary, key fob batteries. https://www.tesla.com/support/maintenance-plans

Funnily enough, there is no key fob on a Model 3. You are supposed to use your phone to unlock your car (using Bluetooth) or a key car (using NFC) in case your phone is dead or you do not wish to couple your phone with the vehicle. I personally like the idea because I hate carrying my keys with me and a credit card sized car would be much better for me. But I think Tesla should offer to sell normal key fobs for peopl…

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