Apple’s refusal to support Progressive Web Apps is a detriment to the web

Post by jasonlotito » Thu, Jul 27, 2017, 1:59 PM UTC

interpol_p wrote: post #122

fredley wrote: post #117

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Push notifications and home-screen icons are strictly opt-in. If you don't want them, don't opt, simple as. I use webapps for several things because I can much better protect myself from tracking and data-harvesting with a well-configured browser than I can using a native app.

As I said, desktop Safari allows websites to prompt me for push notifications. I can't stand it: that a web site has the ability to display a modal prompt sheet that I have to cancel.

Post by phs2501 » Thu, Jul 27, 2017, 2:01 PM UTC

mrkrabo wrote: post #141

cryptica wrote: post #90

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This is not surprising of Apple. They've always been a walled garden, that's why I don't buy their products. I like to own products that give me full control as a user. When the iPod came out, I never understood why I couldn't just drag the music files directly onto the device and I had to get iTunes and use iTune's tedious interface. Now they have the app store; another unnecessary restriction. As a developer, it's…

>When the iPod came out, I never understood why I couldn't just drag the music files directly onto the device and I had to get iTunes and use iTune's tedious interface. Because MTP is utter rubbish. Really, people complain about iTunes? It's never failed me as slow as it is. Try using MTP...

Post by mrkrabo » Thu, Jul 27, 2017, 2:03 PM UTC

anc84 wrote: post #155

mrkrabo wrote: post #141

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>When the iPod came out, I never understood why I couldn't just drag the music files directly onto the device and I had to get iTunes and use iTune's tedious interface. Because MTP is utter rubbish. Really, people complain about iTunes? It's never failed me as slow as it is. Try using MTP...

NO one said anything about MTP. Copying files > anything.

Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jul 27, 2017, 2:04 PM UTC

emsy wrote: post #118

interpol_p wrote: post #91

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But as an iOS user I expect you to use the technology stack provided by my preferred operating system. I don't want to use your app if you're targeting a lowest-common-denominator feature set. When I change my preferred text size through accessibility settings, good native apps respond correctly. If I need voice over support, the operating system knows how to read the view hierarchy to me in a logical way. When drag-…

>I don't want to use your app if you're targeting a lowest-common-denominator feature set. You might even use a hybrid app without it knowing. Many apps just need to show some buttons, input fields, images or a map and hit a web service. Brushing ALL hybrid apps off as useless is in my eyes just ignorant.

Post by matthewmacleod » Thu, Jul 27, 2017, 2:05 PM UTC

criley2 wrote: post #147

interpol_p wrote: post #72

I hate using web apps. On desktop, mobile, wherever. The author's list of things they want supported by Mobile Safari is just aggravating: > Here are a list of things you still can’t do with mobile safari due to Apple’s refusal to support them: > > Create an app loading screen > Use push notifications > Add offline support > Create an initial app UI to load instantly > Prompt installation to the home screen through b…

I completely disagree, to be frank. Why do I need a native binary, tens of thousands of lines of code, an app with a massive permissions access to my device... To read a news article? To book a flight? To comment on an internet post? Adding a few more "app features" to light web pages sounds a whole lot more attractive than banishing all useful functionality into the den of apps, where only larger teams and more expe…