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Re: More Millennials Are Having Strokes

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Post by nradov »

weinzierl wrote: post #8

Iron deficiency anemia (IDA) has been associated with strokes in young people. IDA doesn't necessarily have pronounced symptoms and a diagnosis with a blood sample is simple and cheap. It is often considered a "female disorder" but it's only slightly more common in females than males. tldr: Have your blood checked. [1] https://www.hindawi.com/journals/crinm/2012/487080/ EDIT: As most follow up comments seem to center…

Excess heme iron from consuming meat is also associated with heart attacks. So too much iron isn't good either.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/04/140423170903.h...

Re: More Millennials Are Having Strokes

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Post by fnovd »

rpedela wrote: post #139
ChristianBundy wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please name one problem with a vegan diet that's solved by meat. Meat is a carcinogen, it's highly correlated with a variety of diseases, and the "vitamin supplements" doesn't hold water seeing as how animals killed for meat have to be given vitamin supplements anyway. Eating meat is a fantastic last resort if you don't have enough food and your only other option is malnutrition/starvation, but it's terrible for you…

Carcinogen? Source?

The WHO is a fairly reputable source.[0]

[0] http://www.who.int/features/qa/cancer-red-meat/en/

Re: More Millennials Are Having Strokes

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Post by taneq »

dgacmu wrote: post #116
simonsarris wrote: post #12

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Various deficiencies are definitely a problem in my friend population, where many of them are vegans. The vegan diet is a diet of deficiencies, and since none of them are particularly careful about what they eat, I worry that it is making them all worse off. Iron and B12 may be the most obvious, but also D3, calcium, zing, animal based nutrients like creatine, and I'm sure others. Unfortunately, this becomes a touchy…

> The vegan diet is a diet of deficiencies, and since none of them are particularly careful about what they eat First off, B12 is important, but most vegan milk-substitute things have 25% or 50% of the US RDA of B12 per serving. Not all - a lot of almond milk isn't supplemented with B12 (to which i grumble). They're often also iron-supplemented. Here, for example, is the nutrition label for Silk Organic Unsweetened S…

Beans, nuts and tofu may be 'good' vegetable sources of zinc but they're still awful compared with meat. You'd have to eat 2.5 cups of baked beans every single day to maintain recommended daily intake.

(Not concern-trolling, just a vegetarian who was disgruntled to discover how easy it is to become zinc deficient, after specifically asking a GP if I needed to take any supplements, and was told no. I take a 25mg daily supplement now.)

Source: https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Zinc-HealthProfessional/

Re: More Millennials Are Having Strokes

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Post by dwich »

koolba wrote: post #101
weinzierl wrote: post #8

Iron deficiency anemia (IDA) has been associated with strokes in young people. IDA doesn't necessarily have pronounced symptoms and a diagnosis with a blood sample is simple and cheap. It is often considered a "female disorder" but it's only slightly more common in females than males. tldr: Have your blood checked. [1] https://www.hindawi.com/journals/crinm/2012/487080/ EDIT: As most follow up comments seem to center…

What do you ask for to have your blood checked? Would whatever tests they do as part of a routine blood tests in a physical include it or is it something separate you'd have to ask for?

The key words would be to ask for an "iron panel". In most US states you can also order one yourself without a doctor's visit, but without much option of having insurance cover it.

Re: More Millennials Are Having Strokes

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Post by ChristianBundy »

pkaye wrote: post #148
ChristianBundy wrote: post #123

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Very much so. Notice that none of the "vegans are unhealthy" claims are substantiated by any evidence.

The problems I seen is when vegans try to duplicate some food they used to each with some unhealthy combination of ingredients. There is a vegan pastry shop nearby which is quite popular and their substitute for the butter frosting didn't seem exactly healthy (a mixtures of various oils and thickeners.)

I'm absolutely willing to agree that vegan frosting is also bad for you, but I don't think anyone is saying "all vegan food is healthy". Hell, Oreo cookies are vegan, and they're terrible for you. Same goes for arsenic.

Re: More Millennials Are Having Strokes

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Post by Retra »

alanbernstein wrote: post #37
simonsarris wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Various deficiencies are definitely a problem in my friend population, where many of them are vegans. The vegan diet is a diet of deficiencies, and since none of them are particularly careful about what they eat, I worry that it is making them all worse off. Iron and B12 may be the most obvious, but also D3, calcium, zing, animal based nutrients like creatine, and I'm sure others. Unfortunately, this becomes a touchy…

Most, really? Have you spoken to "most" vegans?

That's not how statistical inference works.

Re: More Millennials Are Having Strokes

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Post by toasterlovin »

ChristianBundy wrote: post #125
legulere wrote: post #57

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Eating a diet largely based on plants but with meat every now and then has all the benefits of a purely plant based diet but without the problems

Please name one problem with a vegan diet that's solved by meat. Meat is a carcinogen, it's highly correlated with a variety of diseases, and the "vitamin supplements" doesn't hold water seeing as how animals killed for meat have to be given vitamin supplements anyway. Eating meat is a fantastic last resort if you don't have enough food and your only other option is malnutrition/starvation, but it's terrible for you…

> Eating meat is a fantastic last resort if you don't have enough food and your only other option is malnutrition/starvation, but it's terrible for you as anything other than a stopgap until you can eat some plants/fungi.

Eating meat seems like a viable strategy for many other species, not sure why it isn't a viable one for humans as well, especially given that we seem to be highly evolved as hunters (I mean, we are, by a long shot, the most successful predator in recent evolutionary history).

Re: More Millennials Are Having Strokes

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Post by mikehotel »

rpedela wrote: post #139
ChristianBundy wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please name one problem with a vegan diet that's solved by meat. Meat is a carcinogen, it's highly correlated with a variety of diseases, and the "vitamin supplements" doesn't hold water seeing as how animals killed for meat have to be given vitamin supplements anyway. Eating meat is a fantastic last resort if you don't have enough food and your only other option is malnutrition/starvation, but it's terrible for you…

Carcinogen? Source?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22618737/

After allowing for measurement error, a 3% increase in the consumption of energy intake from animal protein was associated with a 15% higher risk (95% confidence interval [CI]: 3-30%; p(trend) = 0.01) and a 2% increase in energy from plant protein intake was associated with a 23% lower risk (95% CI: 36-7%, p(trend) = 0.006).

Re: More Millennials Are Having Strokes

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Post by [deleted] »

rpedela wrote: post #139
ChristianBundy wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please name one problem with a vegan diet that's solved by meat. Meat is a carcinogen, it's highly correlated with a variety of diseases, and the "vitamin supplements" doesn't hold water seeing as how animals killed for meat have to be given vitamin supplements anyway. Eating meat is a fantastic last resort if you don't have enough food and your only other option is malnutrition/starvation, but it's terrible for you…

Carcinogen? Source?

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