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Re: Facebook Hits 2 Billion Users

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It is both amazing and deeply concerning that one corporation has influence over 1/4 of the world's population. It is even more concerning when you consider the outsized voting power of 1 person at that company.

Facebook is a platform. They don't do a lot of attempting to influence, as far as I can tell. Consider Google as well, which probably reaches even more of the world's population. Or Microsoft. Apple might be getting close, too. Or plenty of non-tech companies, as the sibling commenter points out. Coke, Samsung, Frito-Lay, etc.

Problem is, there isn't any oversight that any person outside of those companies could look at to ensure that it isn't attempting to influence. We know about various studies they've done at Facebook but there is no way, beyond trust, to know if they or any inner groups are attempting to do any influence. Even an accidental bug could influence a startling amount of people and no one would ever know.

When a single platform has the eyes and attention of a third of the world's population each day, even the smallest things, purposeful or not, could cause a ripple of change.

I would argue Coke, Samsung, Frito-Lay, etc are different. They can't make instant changes or do AB testing on a scale that Facebook can. Facebook could give a single page over to an algorithm that runs millions of experiments a day to learn how best to influence a person in a certain way, iterate on that and continue. A single engineer, with their scale and data, could set this up given the proper permissions.

Re: Facebook Hits 2 Billion Users

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So, how would one grow a competitor at this point? Appeal to underserved users?

The general rule of thumb of competing with any juggernaut is to identify some subset of their users that you can create a specialized product for (that meets their needs better) and then expanding your reach outward after gaining a strong foothold.

Re: Facebook Hits 2 Billion Users

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason I go with Safari Content blockers and /etc/hosts is because both of those solutions stop network requests before they even attempt to make a network request. uBlock is a good backup solution, but I want my computer to think Facebook doesn't even exist as a url, regardless of context. For example uBlock won't stop iMessage from trying to load Facebook's inline media content when someone messages me a Facebo…

for OSX blocking at DNS level: Posted a year ago in hn https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11793855 for linux use: https://github.com/tbds/FreeContributor/tree/master/data https://www.perpetual-beta.org/weblog/blocking-facebook-on-o...

This is also a great solution.

Re: Facebook Hits 2 Billion Users

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I need perspective At peak, how many landline phones (residential) were there? Peak: printed newspaper readership worldwide? Peak: tv viewership (like july 20, '69) How many people have electricity? Water? How many active smartphones in use today? How many machines run any MS OS? How many worldwide automobiles? At first it seems like Gomer "Gol-ly" but not really.

1.16 billion landline phones in 2013 per Wikipedia (CIA world factbook reported 1.26b in 2003; either is likely a roughly good peak global number, a solid mix between high globalization development (eg China & India had started to get large enough economically to install plenty of landlines) and pre high-level cellphone dominance in the developing world):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landline

Re: Facebook Hits 2 Billion Users

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I need perspective At peak, how many landline phones (residential) were there? Peak: printed newspaper readership worldwide? Peak: tv viewership (like july 20, '69) How many people have electricity? Water? How many active smartphones in use today? How many machines run any MS OS? How many worldwide automobiles? At first it seems like Gomer "Gol-ly" but not really.

World Cup 2014 probably beats July 20, 1969 as far as pure viewership numbers go Edit: 600 million watched the moon landing [1], 3.2 billion watched the World Cup [2] [1]: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/space/5852237/Apollo... [2]: http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/news/y=2015/m=12/news=2014-fifa...

Amazing to me that 3.2 billion people could be watching the same thing at once while I have no awareness at all that it's happening.

Re: Facebook Hits 2 Billion Users

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I need perspective At peak, how many landline phones (residential) were there? Peak: printed newspaper readership worldwide? Peak: tv viewership (like july 20, '69) How many people have electricity? Water? How many active smartphones in use today? How many machines run any MS OS? How many worldwide automobiles? At first it seems like Gomer "Gol-ly" but not really.

World Cup 2014 probably beats July 20, 1969 as far as pure viewership numbers go Edit: 600 million watched the moon landing [1], 3.2 billion watched the World Cup [2] [1]: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/space/5852237/Apollo... [2]: http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/news/y=2015/m=12/news=2014-fifa...

After your links id ask another way: how many FB ers are on at the same time?

Re: Facebook Hits 2 Billion Users

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As insane as this number is, and it really is an incredible achievement, I'm left feeling Facebook hasn't delivered much real net positive value to the world just yet.

Politics are in disarray. More people are "connected" online but more people than ever feel isolated in some way and mental health issues are on the rise. Highlight reels of your friends living a seemingly amazing life leave people feeling like they've underperformed. Shoddy advertising practices and questionable news are splattered around the platform. Obviously as a communication platform it works, but so what? There are a million ways to stay in touch with people.

I applaud Facebook, and Mark, for what they have achieved in terms of raw numbers and the ubiquity of the platform. But what's the point of having 2 billion users if ultimately this platform doesn't genuinely improve society for the better as a result?

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