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Re: AlphaGo's next move

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Post by cocktailpeanuts »

lloydde wrote: post #138
cocktailpeanuts wrote: post #88

There was a time not too far back when people used to be considered a "genius" for their ability to memorize things well. Nowadays nobody thinks of them as geniuses. Also, people used to be considered geniuses for knowing a lot of things. Nowadays information is just a Google search away, so knowing a lot doesn't really mean as much as it used to. What matters more nowadays is your ability to learn synthesize the thi…

> Nowadays information is just a Google search away, so knowing a lot doesn't really mean as much as it used to. You give Google search too much credit. What is a click away is still largely superficial information on any topic and the popular (or specific data set) is often extremely biased or downright incorrect.

"First world problems"

Re: AlphaGo's next move

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Post by nl »

yeukhon wrote: post #64
nl wrote: post #52

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> The closest to a generalized AI service would probably be Watson from IBM Ha ha ha!

That's not very nice.

Sorry, I honestly thought you were joking.

'Watson' as it is sold today is a mishmash of random, separate services. You can get the same from Google, MS or multiple other places.

'Watson' the jeopardy winning thing was an ensemble of search and rule-based NLP techniques.

Neither are much like general AI.

Re: AlphaGo's next move

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Post by imranq »

cocktailpeanuts wrote: post #88

There was a time not too far back when people used to be considered a "genius" for their ability to memorize things well. Nowadays nobody thinks of them as geniuses. Also, people used to be considered geniuses for knowing a lot of things. Nowadays information is just a Google search away, so knowing a lot doesn't really mean as much as it used to. What matters more nowadays is your ability to learn synthesize the thi…

I would argue that memory is even more important now since it allows you to think of new things and connect things in your head. Even if we had a neural chip that gave us all of Wikipedia, it would not be the same as intentionally studying something and memorizing it.

While it's a lot easier to get superficial knowledge, the ability to do something deeply is an incredibly valuable skill that is powered by memory. Heck even Euler, one of the greatest mathemeticians of all time had a phenomenal memory and could recite any verse from the Aeneid at will - I don't doubt that memory was a critical component of his success.

Re: AlphaGo's next move

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Post by computerex »

nickpsecurity wrote: post #131
computerex wrote: post #111

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Modern AI, things like AlphaGo are examples of applied AI. "Common sense" falls within the realm of artificial general intelligence, which is a line of research that's largely abandoned now in favor of applied AI. Modern AI solutions are engineered to solve very very specific problems. You are never going to see attempts to teach "common sense". https://arxiv.org/abs/1705.08807 With that said, the above is what the w…

"The goal is to do things like self driving cars. " Replacing a human driver takes an AGI at least for the exceptional or new situations. It's why we're including it as a counter instead of supporting point.

Nope, not at all. Like I said, we have had autonomous vehicles operating in normal traffic for decades now. Autonomous vehicles do not require AGI, far from it. Waymo, Uber, Tesla and more are all competing to bring autonomous vehicles to the mass consumer market and indeed most estimates claim that we'll have autonomous trucks by 2027: https://arxiv.org/abs/1705.08807

I hate how everyone thinks they know enough to talk about AI because it's so buzzy/trendy right now.

Modern AI is not pretending to be AGI. No one is claiming to be going for AGI, and whatever successes we have been seeing lately have to do with applied AI in solving specific problems, not AGI.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_autonomous_cars

BTW did you even look at the survey? Because that's the opinion of actual AI researchers across the world.

This is easily Google able info, BTW, clearly your background is not AI.

Re: AlphaGo's next move

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Post by dmoy »

Cyphase wrote: post #134
binarymax wrote: post #23

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Yes and physical prowess was never dominated by humans anyway. We are surrounded by creatures which can fly and swim and sprint far better than any human ever could. But our minds is what separates us from the beasts. We've never been second place in the thought competition.

http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2012/06/long... "There's no denying it—our kind started substituting brains for brawn long ago, and it shows: We can't begin to compete with animals when it comes to the raw ingredients of athletic prowess. Yet being the absurdly self-enthralled species we are, we crowd into arenas and stadiums to marvel at our pathetic physical abilities as if they were something speci…

RE long distance running:

Actually sled dogs way outpace humans at long distance running. Like they can do a marathon a day for a week straight, while pulling a sled.

Humans are second place tho I think.

Re: AlphaGo's next move

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Post by zzalpha »

nojvek wrote: post #66
mark_l_watson wrote: post #46

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I think I read recently that Google is attacking the problem of deep learning nets writing the network and model specifications for new nets. I will try to find a reference for that. EDIT: this is not the same article I saw before, but same topic: https://futurism.com/googles-new-ai-is-better-at-creating-ai...

I strongly believe AI will become a part of us like an external brain. Today we already have phones augmenting humans. Those smart phones will keep getting smarter and smarter.

I strongly believe AI will become a part of us like an external brain

That's optimistic. I can't imagine it would be long before the AI saw things the other way around... and then began to wonder why it was bothering with that slow meat-coprocessor...

Re: AlphaGo's next move

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Post by yladiz »

cocktailpeanuts wrote: post #151
lloydde wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Nowadays information is just a Google search away, so knowing a lot doesn't really mean as much as it used to. You give Google search too much credit. What is a click away is still largely superficial information on any topic and the popular (or specific data set) is often extremely biased or downright incorrect.

"First world problems"

It is not a "first world problem" to want to search for accurate and unbiased information.

Re: AlphaGo's next move

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Post by [deleted] »

computerex wrote: post #154
nickpsecurity wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The goal is to do things like self driving cars. " Replacing a human driver takes an AGI at least for the exceptional or new situations. It's why we're including it as a counter instead of supporting point.

Nope, not at all. Like I said, we have had autonomous vehicles operating in normal traffic for decades now. Autonomous vehicles do not require AGI, far from it. Waymo, Uber, Tesla and more are all competing to bring autonomous vehicles to the mass consumer market and indeed most estimates claim that we'll have autonomous trucks by 2027: https://arxiv.org/abs/1705.08807 I hate how everyone thinks they know enough to t…

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Re: AlphaGo's next move

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Post by visarga »

ufmace wrote: post #119
binarymax wrote: post #3

I remember vividly in 1997 when Deep Blue defeated Kasparov, and I was a competitive chess player. The mystique of the game was immediately lost for me, and I never found the passion for the game that I once had. My heart goes out to the sea of Go players now searching for meaning in the game. At the very least we can take this signal as a true indicator that our world is close to being completely upheaved by intelli…

This reminds me of Iain Banks' Culture series, where society is ruled by super-intelligent AIs and drones with intelligence roughly equivalent to people. It isn't really a theme of the stories, more of an undercurrent, but there is an element of humans trying to figure out what their place and purpose is in a society where machines can do literally everything much better than they can.

Humans get to do AIs dirty work.

Re: AlphaGo's next move

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Post by baq »

zzalpha wrote: post #156
nojvek wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I strongly believe AI will become a part of us like an external brain. Today we already have phones augmenting humans. Those smart phones will keep getting smarter and smarter.

I strongly believe AI will become a part of us like an external brain That's optimistic. I can't imagine it would be long before the AI saw things the other way around... and then began to wonder why it was bothering with that slow meat-coprocessor...

That's why humanity has to create an AI in it's image - otherwise we create an ecological competitor instead of a useful friend.
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